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old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by johntl » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:36 pm

Hi guys
have been searching the the car reviews and I was looking at the Honda 1.7ctdi civic which has the Isuzu engine in it, seems to have good reviews has anybody had any experience with these cars, I understand you can map them to about 140 bhp without any probs :cheesy:

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Re: old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by johntl » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:27 am

still looking
Any opinions on a Toyota avensis 2.2 D4D 180
well made , reliable ,
apart from head gasket problems of early models
tuneable to over 200 bhp

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Re: old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by PeterN » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 am

The only car I have found that can give as good or a better ride that the 406 is the Mk3 C5. I recently bought one with steel suspension and the ride quality is superb, I'm sure the hydropnumatic one would be even better, but I have gone for simplicity (relative).

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Re: old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by frog » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:06 pm

johntl wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:27 am
Any opinions on a Toyota avensis 2.2 D4D 180
well made , reliable ,
hmmm.... not all agree; see https://www.autoweek.nl/reviews/artikel ... na-2007-4/

Translated quote (with the help of Google):
The D-CAT Diesel engine:
1 of the most important, if not THE reason for purchase. On paper THE most powerful Diesel at that time in the Golf-Astra segment. Emotionally, the engine has frankly not the promised 177hp. Okay, the D-CAT is above average powerful, and you are faster than many others on intermediate sprints - especially on the German Autobahn. Similar, less powerful engines as the 150hp CDTi / JTDm in the (old) Astra, and the Honda 2.2 CiTD of the Honda Civic are certainly not inferior to the D-CAT. The power band of the D-CAT is narrow, there is a big turbo hole. Between 1800 and 3000 rpm it is a torturer, before and afterwards there is no (extra) push anymore. A number of regular software updates have been made to the ECU over time. The engine has become slightly smoother but unfortunately not more powerful. I have a feeling that the D-CAT is kept "tame" in software. I have the idea that emission limiting measures have been taken under a certain speed or engine / exhaust gas temperature. The many broken engines (see later ...) will also be to blame for this.

The usage:
An embarrassing 1 liter at 13.36 KM on average over all refueling, with regular Shell Diesel. The D-CAT may be clean; the consumption is just absurd. Long live the fuel card ... The (practical) action radius is around 650km.
and:
Toyota uses a maintenance interval of 15,000 km. That is quite short compared to the competition. In practice you are therefore 3 times a year at the garage for maintenance with a normal business mileage of 40,000 per year.
Might be the "early model" though, as you already pointed out.
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2003 406 Estate 2.0HDi 110 - 7 seater
2001 Citroen Saxo 1.6i 8v 100

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2000 406 Sedan 2.0 HDi 90
2000 406 Coupé 2.0i 16v 138 - Riviera Blue

PP2000 user, can help with faults / diagnostics in the Netherlands.

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Re: old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by johntl » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:32 am

Thanks for the input guys,
I like the wide power band of the 406 and the a narrow power band sound not good
the C5 mk3 sounds good , I wish they would make them handle the corner better , but you cannot get a car that ticks all your boxes
I have run a 406's for 15yrs now and if I change would love a car with the 406 power delivery/economy and be a lot better sure footed ! :frown:
will keep the 406 running till the bank balance rises ! :frown:
seem to be doing a lot frowning today ?? :) :)

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Re: old topic, 406 replacement ?

Post by steve_earwig » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:55 am

If that's the same 180 d-cat as the RAV, I read on the owner's klub that Toyota were replacing loads of them under warranty due to excessive oil consumption. Something to do with cylinder lining? Not sure how successful they were as one guy on there had given up when his car needed it's 3rd engine, the last I read was it was parked up in his yard while he wondered what to do with it. Avoid.

I have a kind of Stockholm syndrome relationship with the RAV, due to my back any replacement's got to have an upright seating position and due to the wife it's got to be short and high, which drastically narrows the field. All the other softroaders I've sat in feel like cars, as do all the smaller vans (I drove vans for 20-odd years so I like them). Tbh I've not sat in anything German but they all seem to be ridiculously expensive, probably thrashed and badly maintained. I recently looked into buying a newer RAV but even their prices are insane, 4 year old Hybrid for 33k€? Ffs, what do they start at new? Almost 50k? You'd have to be mad.
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