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Re: 2.2Hdi fuel consumption

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OdinEidolon wrote:Yesterday coming back from the injector place which cleaned and calibrated my injectors I got 65.7mpg (4.3L/100km). This is a motorway trip at a steady 70mph, 150km (~90 miles), with some tricks to keep the consumption down. :shock:
wow-missed that post. That's a forum record, surely?!

Tell me a bit more about the injector job-what kind of mileage had they done & what made you suspect they needed that kind of attention in the 1st place please?
the above will relate to a 2001 2.2HDI 136BHP GTX. VIN: VF38EHXF..Estate. In red. Yes it's FAP & Eolsys too. Deep joy. Now dead.

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OdinEidolon wrote:Sorry to tell you but a tuning box is just never, never, never going to match a remap, even a bad one, in terms of performance, economy, reliability. You just feed your ECU with false readings.

Also I've driven 110s and my 136 and I certainly can see where the additional 26 horses lay. I do not know why you did not feel so!
oh hello there! Never meant to convey that it would-I have a feeling we've had this conversation before. It's possible that my 2.2 might have always had a residual issue-possibly swirl valve actuator rod tip broken. And memory over this length of time can be odd, but I must say I found the 2.2 as standard a disappointment. Just saying that it was the effect of the VA smartbox, regardless of how it did it, that revealed to me what the 2.2 could have been & I had that long, long before the forum remapping projects were around. Pre defap knowledge days in fact. So I feel quite fondly disposed to it! But yeah-do it once, do it properly. Which will shortly take me into enquiring about forum maps for the 110..

BTW I have a 140k good 2.2 engine up for grabs-blew the turbo oil seal last month because like an idiot I never got round to defapping it & I think a hose failed big time on it as well. Any use?
Maybe your 110 was remapped alredy?
As for the engine you could try to ask Ade1122 if he wants to make an offer for it. He usually selles them for some hundreds in good conditions, I reckon yours will still be worth something even without the turbo.

Honestly my stock fapped 2.2 is a good decently fat car. When I got on it I thought it was really good power. But then I had never driven anything like that before, so not lots to compare to.
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Re: 2.2Hdi fuel consumption

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OdinEidolon wrote: Maybe your 110 was remapped alredy?
As for the engine you could try to ask Ade1122 if he wants to make an offer for it. He usually selles them for some hundreds in good conditions, I reckon yours will still be worth something even without the turbo.

Honestly my stock fapped 2.2 is a good decently fat car. When I got on it I thought it was really good power. But then I had never driven anything like that before, so not lots to compare to.
Didn't think of that-there wasn't much of that kind of thing really going on when we had the 1st one though.

Forgot about Ade! I did ask him about replacement turbo for it last month but TBH I cannot for the life of me see how I can get to work on it with the engine still in the car, unless I remove an awful lot of things.

Sound like you might have a really good clean one, & we, err, didn't!

BTW I saw the link in your sig. Might this imply you hypothetically might have a remap for a 2001 110 please? I'd like more for safer overtaking but frankly if I could see anything close to the 65mpg you've just had that would be the kiddy. Can't exactly afford to hoon about these days & besides if I feel the need for speed my 12 year old CBR600 satiates that. 65, I cannot quite get over that. Even our old normally aspirated XUD 205 never delivered that, although it;s successor the 205 turbodiesel gave 55mpg & that was boosted like I stole it just about everywhere. Goodness me I do miss that car even now. Wouldn't wanted to have hit anything in it though-prob had a negative NCAP rating!
the above will relate to a 2001 2.2HDI 136BHP GTX. VIN: VF38EHXF..Estate. In red. Yes it's FAP & Eolsys too. Deep joy. Now dead.

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OdinEidolon wrote: Maybe your 110 was remapped alredy?
As for the engine you could try to ask Ade1122 if he wants to make an offer for it. He usually selles them for some hundreds in good conditions, I reckon yours will still be worth something even without the turbo.

Honestly my stock fapped 2.2 is a good decently fat car. When I got on it I thought it was really good power. But then I had never driven anything like that before, so not lots to compare to.
Didn't think of that-there wasn't much of that kind of thing really going on when we had the 1st one though.

Forgot about Ade! I did ask him about replacement turbo for it last month but TBH I cannot for the life of me see how I can get to work on it with the engine still in the car, unless I remove an awful lot of things.

Sound like you might have a really good clean one, & we, err, didn't!

BTW I saw the link in your sig. Might this imply you hypothetically might have a remap for a 2001 110 please? I'd like more for safer overtaking but frankly if I could see anything close to the 65mpg you've just had that would be the kiddy. Can't exactly afford to hoon about these days & besides if I feel the need for speed my 12 year old CBR600 satiates that. 65, I cannot quite get over that. Even our old normally aspirated XUD 205 never delivered that, although it;s successor the 205 turbodiesel gave 55mpg & that was boosted like I stole it just about everywhere. Goodness me I do miss that car even now. Wouldn't wanted to have hit anything in it though-prob had a negative NCAP rating!
I miss my old 106 1.5D too. You can remap a bosch 110 easily. If you subscrive to tht forum you'll find lots of useful info. I'll be able to help you as much as I can as far as that is concerned.

About Ade, I was trying to say you could try to sell the scrapped engine to him.
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OdinEidolon wrote: I miss my old 106 1.5D too. You can remap a bosch 110 easily. If you subscrive to tht forum you'll find lots of useful info. I'll be able to help you as much as I can as far as that is concerned.

About Ade, I was trying to say you could try to sell the scrapped engine to him.
thanks Odin.

Did you suss your blower access out? Just that if it is an easy thing to get at you could have the known good one out of our old 2.2? The entire centre console is apart atm.
the above will relate to a 2001 2.2HDI 136BHP GTX. VIN: VF38EHXF..Estate. In red. Yes it's FAP & Eolsys too. Deep joy. Now dead.

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Re: 2.2Hdi fuel consumption

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OdinEidolon wrote:Yesterday coming back from the injector place which cleaned and calibrated my injectors I got 65.7mpg (4.3L/100km). This is a motorway trip at a steady 70mph, 150km (~90 miles), with some tricks to keep the consumption down. :shock:
wow-missed that post. That's a forum record, surely?!

Tell me a bit more about the injector job-what kind of mileage had they done & what made you suspect they needed that kind of attention in the 1st place please?
Hi, this is just an average on that small trip, you cannot count that as real average mileage. The 2.2HDi can well average 60mpg if driven carefully on long, empty roads with not problem even as standard. Just keep your right foot in control :wink: and try to drive super-smoothly.
My injectors were checked and every worn bit replaced, then recalibrated. cost 150€s, but that was because the guy waqs a friend of a frined. Quotes usually are 80€s for each injector, here.
I had some vibrations at idle, revs going up and down a bit (this may also be caused by much more stuff tho). Once the car died (never happened again). I replaced two injectors with used ones (thanks go to Doggy!) not much gain but the car did not judder anymore after strong accelerations. Also very bad vibrations when cold.
The proof that settled the matter was injector data reading with PP2000, some of my injectors reported 4 corrections at idle (thats something like 40-50% at idle, it should be max 10-20% at idle).
If you record a video (with a program such as autoscreenrecorder) with PP2000 of your injectors I can tell you i they need any attention.
Editor wrote:
OdinEidolon wrote: I miss my old 106 1.5D too. You can remap a bosch 110 easily. If you subscrive to tht forum you'll find lots of useful info. I'll be able to help you as much as I can as far as that is concerned.

About Ade, I was trying to say you could try to sell the scrapped engine to him.
thanks Odin.

Did you suss your blower access out? Just that if it is an easy thing to get at you could have the known good one out of our old 2.2? The entire centre console is apart atm.
You mean the other thread I opened? Nah, it's been like that for a couple of weeks, really noisy, not cecked it yet. Kind offer tho. But I'm based in Italy so I'd guess the shipping would be more than the item is worth :wink:

So you are scrapping it completely?
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OdinEidolon wrote: You mean the other thread I opened? Nah, it's been like that for a couple of weeks, really noisy, not cecked it yet. Kind offer tho. But I'm based in Italy so I'd guess the shipping would be more than the item is worth :wink:

So you are scrapping it completely?
Yes-offer still stands if you change your mind.

Not decided one way or the other just yet. It would be great if someonbe could utilise it as I hate waste & a 140k looked after engine is barely run in. OTOH if really is £400 in scrap (which I will ascertain on Monday) then what with entire cars being had for sub £1k then no-one is going to spend £400 on just the engine. I'm leaning to removing the useful important bits & those fragile & expensive parts that get trashed in a low speed front or rear collision. The bodywork is good though-no bashes or boshes so that would be a shame. Dunno-might even break the entire thing on here/coupe to start with, ebay rest & then scrap what's leftover. Things is that it's already solved virtually all the snag's on the new 110. One thing-it has a brand new COM2000 on it-all of about 3 months old so that's def coming off it. Not much diesel left in the tank though-fortunately!
the above will relate to a 2001 2.2HDI 136BHP GTX. VIN: VF38EHXF..Estate. In red. Yes it's FAP & Eolsys too. Deep joy. Now dead.

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Re: 2.2Hdi fuel consumption

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Editor wrote:
OdinEidolon wrote: You mean the other thread I opened? Nah, it's been like that for a couple of weeks, really noisy, not cecked it yet. Kind offer tho. But I'm based in Italy so I'd guess the shipping would be more than the item is worth :wink:

So you are scrapping it completely?
Yes-offer still stands if you change your mind.

Not decided one way or the other just yet. It would be great if someonbe could utilise it as I hate waste & a 140k looked after engine is barely run in. OTOH if really is £400 in scrap (which I will ascertain on Monday) then what with entire cars being had for sub £1k then no-one is going to spend £400 on just the engine. I'm leaning to removing the useful important bits & those fragile & expensive parts that get trashed in a low speed front or rear collision. The bodywork is good though-no bashes or boshes so that would be a shame. Dunno-might even break the entire thing on here/coupe to start with, ebay rest & then scrap what's leftover. Things is that it's already solved virtually all the snag's on the new 110. One thing-it has a brand new COM2000 on it-all of about 3 months old so that's def coming off it. Not much diesel left in the tank though-fortunately!
I'll bear that in mind. You may be wanting to list it for sale here and somewhere else, many interior bits may be interesting for someone.
If the bodywork is good I'd ask Ade what he will give you for it. It'll save you the hassle of dismembering it completely.
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