fuel solenoid ???

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fuel solenoid ???

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Fuel has been contaminated with the additive have cleaned out tank, pipes, new fuel filter and injectors as they were all gunged up. Car still not starting, think it is a solenoid, made a blanking plate to try and fuel is running to injectors, just need to know is it the fuel cut off solenoid, its in the engine bay left hand side goes onto injection on hp pump, its at the end of the engine :shock: (clear as mud :lol: ) I tried peugeot, they said it was the pressure regulator £300 :cheesy: Cant check it out on service box :? thanks guys

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Pretty sure mine doesn't have a fuel shut-off valve - I think it's only petrol cars that have them.
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Will take a picture tomorrow, trying to remember from yesterday and left the Haynes in the car :D
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amron wrote: think it is a solenoid, made a blanking plate to try and fuel is running to injectors,
If fuel is getting to the injectors then the fault must surely be either lack of pressure or the injectors not opening?
If it was a solenoid, no fuel woud reach the injectors?
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Without the blanking plate no fuel is getting to the injectors, :D just trying to source the right part, dont want to buy a part at £300 if its not that....checked through my receipts since getting this car and have spent over £2000 so money is a bit tight, and still got this bill to pay :cry: This is the 1st car with this fap system that my 2 local garages have come across :roll: so Im trying to gather as much info on it as I can...so I really appreciated any comments etc to guide me in the right direction....Will go to garage after work get photo.. hope that might help
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Not sure what part you're describing there. It could be:
1. Fuel pressure sensor, (located on pipework between HP pump & injectors)
2. Fuel temperature sensor, (located on pipework between HP pump & injectors)
(The 2.2's 'common rail' is kinda buried behind the fuel filter etc. due to the 16V head design - you can see some of this on the pics I posted on nutski's wiki thread).
3. Bosch HP pumps have an integral solenoid to enable/disable the 3rd piston & thus regulate fuel pressure under ECU control.
Do you think it's one of these?
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Not sure what part you're describing there. It could be:
1. Fuel pressure sensor, (located on pipework between HP pump & injectors)
2. Fuel temperature sensor, (located on pipework between HP pump & injectors)
(The 2.2's 'common rail' is kinda buried behind the fuel filter etc. due to the 16V head design - you can see some of this on the pics I posted on nutski's wiki thread).
3. Bosch HP pumps have an integral solenoid to enable/disable the 3rd piston & thus regulate fuel pressure under ECU control.
Do you think it's one of these?
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
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Thanks dogslife I couldnt make out part will look again now that I have seen the part ... went to garage and took photos
info on part is CR/DRV/F/W/10S...........0281002493........18508... can anyone confirm which part it is...Ta :D
put up photo of the fuel filter as well from last week.......



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That looks like the fuel pressure sensor, but I don't like the look of whats in the filter bowl, is it some kind of bio-diesel?
Whatever it is it's probably not done the pump any good.
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djp30djp wrote:That looks like the fuel pressure sensor, but I don't like the look of whats in the filter bowl, is it some kind of bio-diesel?
Whatever it is it's probably not done the pump any good.
Thats the fuel additive Eloys that has empited into the fuel system again..... :frown: on Peugeot planet it was showing the faults fuel filler cap sensor and additive minimum level reached ... replaced sensor and then was showing fuel cap open.... magnets etc been checked Then car wouldnt start :evil:
whole system has been drained and injectors etc were all gunged up.... I have taken samples and have written back to garage and Head office as this should not been happening....its regrettable and very uncommon to have any issues with the fap system... where have they been hiding :? They also said garage would heavily discount me on any repairs but last time this happened (Oct/Nov)they said it was the starter motor :oops: .... so more letters in the post....was advised to go a run down the motorway but 6 hour round trip to get to the nearest .... M8 going into Glasgow.... :? :?

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amron wrote:its regrettable and very uncommon to have any issues with the fap system... where have they been hiding :?
Maybe they mean in a "no issues to us, bringing cash in by the wheel barrow" way :x

You know, that doesn't look like a pressure sensor to me - looks more like the injection pump electro valve:
0000193338 REGULATOR 2,699.11 HRK 3,292.91 HRK 3,292.91 HRK :shock: :shock: - it's about 300 quid!

Anyone care to give us a third opinion?

The good news is it looks like it's a common part on Bosch-equipped HDis:
Number of documents found by vehicle family:
1 document(s) found for 406
2 document(s) found for 406 new
1 document(s) found for 306 new
1 document(s) found for 206 (T1)
1 document(s) found for 307
1 document(s) found for 307 new
1 document(s) found for 806
2 document(s) found for 807
2 document(s) found for 607
2 document(s) found for 607 new
1 document(s) found for Partner (M49)
1 document(s) found for Boxer
2 document(s) found for Boxer 2
1 document(s) found for Expert 1 & 2
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OK, ok, I'm an idjut :oops: (you sure they're not the same thing? :cheesy: )
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Wow thanks guys I could not get the translation page :D and there are no idjuts here :cheesy: just extremely helpful people.... :mrgreen:
Now that price is 133 euros .... and peugeots price is £296 including vat :evil:
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Are you even sure that is the fault? You should have other fault codes like P1113 or P1198 if the sensor is at fault. I would seek the help of a diesel injection specialist.http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 910AA0MooU
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