URGENT info please - car stranded (2.0 Petrol Turbo)

[jasper5]

Once you get the top cover off (remove the 2 bolts completely), turn the crank pulley until the timing hole is at about 11 o' clock, the camshaft timing hole should then be at about 8 o'clock, you should be able to insert either a 6mm or an 8mm rod(or drill bit)into both holes to lock the pulleys...if the timing is correct.

You will always find oil in the intercooler pipe, nothing unusual.

[mjb]

I cant get the damn top cambelt cover off - ive loosened the 2 bolts - it pulls and up down but how to get it off?

It's a royal pain in the backside to get on and off for some reason. My advice is to just keep trying. Once I got my old tubby's off I found it had been smashed quite badly - presumably as a result of someone previously having the same sort of trouble.

I bought a new cover from the dealers, but scrapped the car before I fit it. If you get your car running again, it's yours collected for a fiver from near M6 J16

[Chaz]

Problem found - cambelt has stripped / lost some of its teeth. Car cut out on idle - any chance of the valvetrain being OK?

[Chaz]

I cant get the damn top cambelt cover off - ive loosened the 2 bolts - it pulls and up down but how to get it off?

It's a royal pain in the backside to get on and off for some reason. My advice is to just keep trying. Once I got my old tubby's off I found it had been smashed quite badly - presumably as a result of someone previously having the same sort of trouble.

I bought a new cover from the dealers, but scrapped the car before I fit it. If you get your car running again, it's yours collected for a fiver from near M6 J16

It just needs to be 'unclipped' from the bottom. Didnt want to break it - but forced it eventually. Im freezing, been working outside in the wet on the car - time for a hot shower.

[Chaz]

Question. Last cam cup - 5th from right - seems I need to remove the entire ditributor setup before the cam cup will release?

Also - if I do manage to get the cam lifted - can I compression test the engine then as all valves should be closed.

Im wondering, keeping in mind that this happened basically at idle, that maybe it moved 1 tooth and the engine may have no damage internally. Can I prove this without ripping the head off?

Assuming I need to remove the head - I can see headbolts at the front - 4 of them, certain there should be more?

Thanks in advance.

[jasper5]

Chaz, there is no point doing a compression test knowing that there are teeth stripped off the belt, from my experience the sound the engine makes in your You Tube video equates to no compression, due to either bent valves or broken rockers (the HDi engine breaks rockers when the belt fails, i'm not familiar with your engine).
Have you taken the cam cover off the top of the engine? If you have you would see any broken rockers, but also look for any cam buckets that are lower than the others due to bent valves (this is with the cam lobes pointing upwards).
I think you would need to remove the camshaft box before you can see the other bolts, but as I said, i'm not familiar with your engine.

You could try getting a new belt and fitting it, then you could try to start it to see how things lay.

[Chaz]

Chaz, there is no point doing a compression test knowing that there are teeth stripped off the belt, from my experience the sound the engine makes in your You Tube video equates to no compression, due to either bent valves or broken rockers (the HDi engine breaks rockers when the belt fails, i'm not familiar with your engine).
Have you taken the cam cover off the top of the engine? If you have you would see any broken rockers, but also look for any cam buckets that are lower than the others due to bent valves (this is with the cam lobes pointing upwards).
I think you would need to remove the camshaft box before you can see the other bolts, but as I said, i'm not familiar with your engine.

You could try getting a new belt and fitting it, then you could try to start it to see how things lay.

Cam cover off. I cannot see any evidence of damage - was trying to get the camshaft our but the 5th cam cup does not lift - I suspect I need to remove the side bits adjacent to it.

I may just buy another cambelt and try - pending the price. Can anyone give me some idea on the timing setup?

[jasper5]

The timing is fairly straightforward on this engine..
Turn the crankshaft until the hole in the bottom timing gear is at about 11 o'clock then fit a rod or drill bit through the hole in the pulley then lock the flywheel.Remove the bottom pulley watching out for a washer behind the crank pulley.
Turn the camshaft until the hole in the camshaft pulley is about 8 0.clock then fit a rod or drill bit through the hole into the cylinder head.
Mark the position of the pulleys with tipex or paint so that if anything moves you know where you started from, undo the tensioner bolt and remove the belt.
Fit the new belt around the pulleys and push the tensioner against the belt until you can just about turn the tensioner pulley.
Remove the rods from the pulleys and fit the crank pulley, don't forget the washer behind the pulley, make sure the rod used for timing the bottom pulley fits throught both the bottom crank pulley and the timing belt pulley.
Turn the engine a couple of full turns and check that the timing pins go back in their holes.Remove the flywheel lock.
Start the engine and hope for the best,

Good luck.

[Chaz]

The timing is fairly straightforward on this engine..
Turn the crankshaft until the hole in the bottom timing gear is at about 11 o'clock then fit a rod or drill bit through the hole in the pulley then lock the flywheel.Remove the bottom pulley watching out for a washer behind the crank pulley.
Turn the camshaft until the hole in the camshaft pulley is about 8 0.clock then fit a rod or drill bit through the hole into the cylinder head.
Mark the position of the pulleys with tipex or paint so that if anything moves you know where you started from, undo the tensioner bolt and remove the belt.
Fit the new belt around the pulleys and push the tensioner against the belt until you can just about turn the tensioner pulley.
Remove the rods from the pulleys and fit the crank pulley, don't forget the washer behind the pulley, make sure the rod used for timing the bottom pulley fits throught both the bottom crank pulley and the timing belt pulley.
Turn the engine a couple of full turns and check that the timing pins go back in their holes.Remove the flywheel lock.
Start the engine and hope for the best,

Good luck.

Thanks. Considering my whole setup might be wrong, is there a reference to what position this is? Would it be TDC or near TDC for one of the cylinders? Also - when you say 'timing gear' - what part are you referring to that needs to be at 11 o clock? Thanks.

[Chaz]

http://www.shanescitshed.com/ - if you check there on the Xantia link are some pics - perhaps if you refer to the images to help - please, thanks.

[jasper5]

OK Chaz, I was refering to my timing belt book for the information I gave you (I repeat, i'm not familiar with that engine).
Any reference to timing gear means the pulley that the timing belt fits onto, eg, bottom timing gear.

Right...now that I've seen those photos do the timing following this procedure.....some people will rubbish this as it isn't by the book, but clearly, the book is not very accurate ( nothing unusual in that)....anyhow....This is old school method....

Take out number one spark plug, I think number one is opposite the cambelt side (on most 4 cylinder engines number one is the timing belt side....but this is French remember...)When you have removed the crank pulley, put a long screwdriver or rod down the number one plug hole on top of the piston and turn the crank until the rod or screwdriver is at its highest point, you will see the rod/screwdriver rise with the piston.this is TDC, the highest position of the piston.
Mark the teeth on the bottom timing gear/pulley with tipex or paint as in the Xantia photo but mark the engine block in line with the gear teeth.
Next take off the rocker box (cam cover).
Fit a spanner onto the cam pulley bolt 16mm, I think, turn the camshaft until the front cam lobes (timing belt side) are pushing the valves up and down, ie, when you move the camshaft backwards and forwards both valves will be opening at the same time, ie, "rocking"...you can check the position of the pulley with the Xantia photo....mark the teeth with tipex or paint.
Remove the timing belt and fit the new one tensioning the belt as I said earlier by pushing the tensioner against the belt until you can just about turn the tensioner pulley.Turn the crank a couple of times and check that the paint marks on the timing gears all line up.
Fit the lower casing and the crank pulley, refit the rocker/cam cover and the spark plug.
Try to to start the engine.

[Chaz]

OK Chaz, I was refering to my timing belt book for the information I gave you (I repeat, i'm not familiar with that engine).
Any reference to timing gear means the pulley that the timing belt fits onto, eg, bottom timing gear.

Right...now that I've seen those photos do the timing following this procedure.....some people will rubbish this as it isn't by the book, but clearly, the book is not very accurate ( nothing unusual in that)....anyhow....This is old school method....

Take out number one spark plug, I think number one is opposite the cambelt side (on most 4 cylinder engines number one is the timing belt side....but this is French remember...)When you have removed the crank pulley, put a long screwdriver or rod down the number one plug hole on top of the piston and turn the crank until the rod or screwdriver is at its highest point, you will see the rod/screwdriver rise with the piston.this is TDC, the highest position of the piston.
Mark the teeth on the bottom timing gear/pulley with tipex or paint as in the Xantia photo but mark the engine block in line with the gear teeth.
Next take off the rocker box (cam cover).
Fit a spanner onto the cam pulley bolt 16mm, I think, turn the camshaft until the front cam lobes (timing belt side) are pushing the valves up and down, ie, when you move the camshaft backwards and forwards both valves will be opening at the same time, ie, "rocking"...you can check the position of the pulley with the Xantia photo....mark the teeth with tipex or paint.
Remove the timing belt and fit the new one tensioning the belt as I said earlier by pushing the tensioner against the belt until you can just about turn the tensioner pulley.Turn the crank a couple of times and check that the paint marks on the timing gears all line up.
Fit the lower casing and the crank pulley, refit the rocker/cam cover and the spark plug.
Try to to start the engine.

Ok, thanks.

[Chaz]

Tried to use the holes to align things. Seems like I got no compression. I rechecked after tensioning the belt - still nothing. The only way to check now is to get teh motor to TDC and see if the cam is 'rocking' to be sure? Else the motor has had it and ill sell it off as spares / scrap.

[Chaz]

Anyone - how could I confirm that the timing is right? The holes seem to align .... Thanks