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I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:58 pm
by chrisfinlay
Hi all,

I hope this is in the right place - mainly it concerns the engine so I guess?

I have some...well, I won't say problems, because at most they're minor inconveniences. However, in the cause of investigating them, the folks over at peugeotforums.com noticed something odd. I have a 1999 registered, pre-facelift (D8) 406...with a 1997CC HDi powerplant.

Here are the photos of the car and engine:

http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0313.jpg
http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0314.jpg
http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0315.jpg
http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0316.jpg
http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0317.jpg
http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0318.jpg

I was told you gents may know a bit more. I've emailed Peugeot with the VIN and engine number, so they may be able to come up with something.

On another note, let's move on to the issues.

1. http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0311.jpg & http://regular-expressions.co.uk/car/IMAG0312.jpg <-- beside the hazard light switch. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas?

2. Cigarette lighter doesn't work, but fuse is intact.

3. There's a strange creak from the passenger footwell when the engine is on or the ignition is in the "acessories" selection (where it would settle back to after turning on the engine, if I'm making any sense). It's inaudible from the outside, but quite clear inside. Tried fiddling with various switches etc to no avail, nothing seems to change it.

I also noticed, while hunting for the fusebox, that there are some wires leading to the front seats...but I'm not aware of my car having electric anything in the seats. Certainly no buttons for them! I don't have pictures for them unfortunately. I can probably get some if you really need them.

Sorry my first post is such a demand for answers - I'm just really confused by the engine/model combo!

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:53 pm
by steve_earwig
Hi there. Umm, you have an HDi, they started fitting them at the end of the D8s - is this a problem?

1. Clock & (probably) external temp display, either dead or...?

2. Cigarette lighter burned out?

3. Recirculation flap stiff? Is it continuous or just for a few moments?

My D8 had all the wires too, no heated seats or anything (although it makes retro-fitting them a damn site easier :wink: )

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:15 am
by chrisfinlay
I wasn't aware they started fitting HDi's to D8's at the end, I thought it was D9 only - I feel a bit better now!

Clock actually sits to the left of the main dashboard, so maybe external temp display or A/C?

2. Could be - best way to check?

3. It''s continuous, untill I turn the ignition off.

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:30 am
by steve_earwig
Gah! I forget, the clock's where the D9 has it's hazard switch. In that case it'll be the external temp or trip computer, depending on level - is there a real (not a dummy) button on the end of the wiper stalk? I'd think you'd still be able to make out the display even if the bulbs have blown, so it's probably toast.

Got anything that plugs into it for power (mobile phone charger etc.)?

Continuous and nothing changes it? Think this could still be something to do with the air con, pull the glovebox out and have a squint? There's also a couple of control boxes here, perhaps there's a relay chattering in one :?

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:03 am
by Captain Jack
Your fuel filter seems to have 2 pipes coming out of it - mine has 3 :|

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:18 am
by steve_earwig
Mine too but there's at least 2 filters on HDis (maybe more, Service Box seems to have gone into limp home mode again :roll: ), note the pipe teed into the pipe with the green band on the connector.

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:03 am
by plod
HDi engine was first put into the 406 late january 1999, so first ones are on a S reg

Mine is also a D8 HDi - on a private plate, but a S reg

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10591&hilit=hdi+140

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:28 am
by chrisfinlay
steve_earwig wrote:Gah! I forget, the clock's where the D9 has it's hazard switch. In that case it'll be the external temp or trip computer, depending on level - is there a real (not a dummy) button on the end of the wiper stalk? I'd think you'd still be able to make out the display even if the bulbs have blown, so it's probably toast.
Nope, no dummy button there. Ah well - it doesn't seem essential to the running of the car, there's a trip computer in the dash so external temp is probably the best guess.
steve_earwig wrote:Got anything that plugs into it for power (mobile phone charger etc.)?
Yeah, tried charging my phone and my hands-free kit off it, to no avail.
Continuous and nothing changes it? Think this could still be something to do with the air con, pull the glovebox out and have a squint? There's also a couple of control boxes here, perhaps there's a relay chattering in one :?
Alrighty. I'll have a look later on today, thanks for the tips!

My car was registered 4th Jan 1999, but I don't know what the English reg is - two years after that it was brought over to the Isle of Man and re-registered!

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:33 pm
by swiss
Was it the 90 or 110 the fitted to D8s?

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:59 pm
by steve_earwig
110s

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:05 pm
by chrisfinlay
110? That's music to my ears :)

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:34 am
by Welly
If you pull out the pollen filter you'll be able to see right down to the recirculation flap and look/listen out for anything strange going on.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3870&p=36935&hilit ... p36935it's an easy 5 min job (unlike some cars).

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:51 am
by sirwiggum
steve_earwig wrote:Mine too but there's at least 2 filters on HDis (maybe more, Service Box seems to have gone into limp home mode again :roll: ), note the pipe teed into the pipe with the green band on the connector.
3 I think.

Source: Trying to get one to fit mine :x

Yours looks like the 2 pipe Bosch, there is also the 3 pipe Siemens, and the awkward to find 2 pipe Siemens 190162 like mine has.

(On mine the previous owner fitted a 3 pipe to a 2 pipe Siemens engine and capped off the spare pipe, when the cap gets loose ended up losing fuel pressure :shock: )


Also: I see that the IoM uses the R plate system too! Must be a pain doing 45 on unrestricted roads :twisted:

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:55 pm
by mjb
plod wrote:HDi engine was first put into the 406 late january 1999, so first ones are on a S reg
This guy's 406 was built 28th October 1998

Re: I have a car that shouldn't exist...and other problems.

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:11 pm
by DaiRees
mjb wrote:This guy's 406 was built 28th October 1998
Which was the 5th anniversary of my 21st birthday :cheesy: :P , just saying :oops: :lol: