Happy new year guys,
My car has just hit 85000 and hasnt had a belt change so am going to do it asap.
I never usually cut corners on timing belt kits, so was wondering where the cheapest/best place to get a genuine peugeot one from?
Any advice appreciated
Thanks
(car is 2001 2.2 executive)
Timing belt change
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Welly
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Re: Timing belt change
Do you mean a 2.2 petrol or diesel?
The interval on the HDi is 96K miles (unless it's sooner on the 2.2?)
The 2.2 16valve engine has a secondary chain-drive within the head to operate the second camshaft. Rumour has it that this chain should also receive some attention (new chain/tensioner) but some say to leave it alone
You should give serious thought to changing the water pump whilst the belt is being done (for what extra it costs). Not sure which is the genuine belt? possible 'gates' or powertrain? someone like Jasper on here would be able to say as he's done loads of them.
The interval on the HDi is 96K miles (unless it's sooner on the 2.2?)
The 2.2 16valve engine has a secondary chain-drive within the head to operate the second camshaft. Rumour has it that this chain should also receive some attention (new chain/tensioner) but some say to leave it alone
You should give serious thought to changing the water pump whilst the belt is being done (for what extra it costs). Not sure which is the genuine belt? possible 'gates' or powertrain? someone like Jasper on here would be able to say as he's done loads of them.
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Re: Timing belt change
Yep, what Welly said - for all it costs, the water pump should be changed at the same time as the belt, given that the belt needs to come off for the water pump to be changed should it fail.
Also, if the water pump seizes up, the cambelt can snap, ruining your whole day. That's also why it's so important that you have the right level of antifreeze in your coolant fluid.
I didn't realize the 2.2 petrol engine had a chain in it too, or a second camshaft, but I'm not particularly mechanically-minded. Is that something to do with the variable valve timing? Or the "dual overhead cam"?
Also, if the water pump seizes up, the cambelt can snap, ruining your whole day. That's also why it's so important that you have the right level of antifreeze in your coolant fluid.
I didn't realize the 2.2 petrol engine had a chain in it too, or a second camshaft, but I'm not particularly mechanically-minded. Is that something to do with the variable valve timing? Or the "dual overhead cam"?
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Welly
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Re: Timing belt change
I don't know why they fitted a secondary chain drive instead of 2 x Cam sprockets in the head driven by a common Cam Belt but they did, so basically your cam belt drives the rear camshaft which in turn drives the front cam shaft using a chain within the rocker cover. Being a chain it can stretch and wear over time but I guess you'd get as noise when this occurs.
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Re: Timing belt change
Many thanks for you advice, i will be changing the water pump whilst it is all off.
It is a 2.2 HDI 16v, i know the interval is 96k miles, but the car is ten year old now, so i think its well due.
Never heard of the chain being looked it, is it something i should consider?
Anyone know where the best belt kit deals are?
cheers
It is a 2.2 HDI 16v, i know the interval is 96k miles, but the car is ten year old now, so i think its well due.
Never heard of the chain being looked it, is it something i should consider?
Anyone know where the best belt kit deals are?
cheers
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Welly
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Re: Timing belt change
Bejesus! the interval is 96K or 5-years so you'd better get cracking especially as the 2.2's belt is under a tad more strain than the 2.0.
I wouldn't worry about the chain drive yet at your mileage unless you think there's funny noises coming from the head?
Again, I think Jasper on here will be able to advice on a good kit for your money (and possibly about the chain too).
I wouldn't worry about the chain drive yet at your mileage unless you think there's funny noises coming from the head?
Again, I think Jasper on here will be able to advice on a good kit for your money (and possibly about the chain too).
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Re: Timing belt change
I am, asap 
i will see where jasper advises to get the bits from first, if not ill head down to my local peugeot on weekend and take the plunge
i will see where jasper advises to get the bits from first, if not ill head down to my local peugeot on weekend and take the plunge
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richycoupe
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Re: Timing belt change
get on to eurocarparts, there always helpfull and cheep to, i have a trade account with them talk nicely to the guys and u may get a cash account with them.
Re: Timing belt change
richycoupe wrote:get on to eurocarparts, there always helpfull and cheep to, i have a trade account with them talk nicely to the guys and u may get a cash account with them.
Cheers richy but i wanted to get OEM parts, not aftermarket
406 2.2 HDI executive Estate
Re: Timing belt change
i've never actually done a 2.2 HDi timing belt job but I have looked it up in my book, It looks fairly straightforward.
Regarding the chain, my book says to change it if you intend removing the head, It's your choice really, I probably would change it on my own car.
As far as buying a "genuine Peugeot" timing belt kit, the timing belt kit will probably come in a box with the Peugeot logos, but will be either a Gates or be made by one of the other major makers of timing belt kits.
There is no sense in going to buy a so-called "genuine" timing belt kit when you can buy the same kit for less at any motor factors.
Shop around for the best price for a Gates belt kit.
I've done dozens of 2litre HDi timing belt jobs, mostly using Gates belt kits.
Regarding the chain, my book says to change it if you intend removing the head, It's your choice really, I probably would change it on my own car.
As far as buying a "genuine Peugeot" timing belt kit, the timing belt kit will probably come in a box with the Peugeot logos, but will be either a Gates or be made by one of the other major makers of timing belt kits.
There is no sense in going to buy a so-called "genuine" timing belt kit when you can buy the same kit for less at any motor factors.
Shop around for the best price for a Gates belt kit.
I've done dozens of 2litre HDi timing belt jobs, mostly using Gates belt kits.
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Re: Timing belt change
There's a good 2.2 HDi timing belt 'HowTo' on the coupe forum, Link, I would not however recommend disconnecting the ecu as doing that the wrong way can 'lock' it.
You have to sign up to view it, but there's a lot of useful stuff over there, as 2.2's are far more common in coupes than 'straight' 406's
You have to sign up to view it, but there's a lot of useful stuff over there, as 2.2's are far more common in coupes than 'straight' 406's
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Re: Timing belt change
Guys, many thanks for your replies, i will look for a "gates belt kit"
Jasper- do you know if the head has to come off to change the chain? wouldnt i hear it rattling if it was stretched? im saying this because the engine is very quiet and runs sweet as a nut.
Dogslife- thanks for the link, but thats for the AUX belt, i changed that (pulley) about a month ago too
Jasper- do you know if the head has to come off to change the chain? wouldnt i hear it rattling if it was stretched? im saying this because the engine is very quiet and runs sweet as a nut.
Dogslife- thanks for the link, but thats for the AUX belt, i changed that (pulley) about a month ago too
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Gary406
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Re: Timing belt change
sorry for stealing the post
jasper .. can you please tell me what interval a 1.9 turbo diesel's cambelt is please mate ?
just had mine done so gonna make a note of when it needs doing again ..
jasper .. can you please tell me what interval a 1.9 turbo diesel's cambelt is please mate ?
just had mine done so gonna make a note of when it needs doing again ..
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Re: Timing belt change
Peter86 wrote:Guys, many thanks for your replies, i will look for a "gates belt kit"
Jasper- do you know if the head has to come off to change the chain? wouldnt i hear it rattling if it was stretched? im saying this because the engine is very quiet and runs sweet as a nut.
Dogslife- thanks for the link, but thats for the AUX belt, i changed that (pulley) about a month ago too
Never heard of anyone taking the head off to replace a chain...it looks like a very simple job, 2 small sprockets with a short chain across, there are marks on the chain and sprockets for alignment.
If the engine is quiet the chain may well be in good condition, I think it best to see what it looks like when you get into the job.
I don't see any great problem changing the timing belt kit/water pump, my book shows is as being fairly simple.
My book only shows a picture of the chain and timing marks so I can't see it being complicated.
Re: Timing belt change
Gary406 wrote:sorry for stealing the post
jasper .. can you please tell me what interval a 1.9 turbo diesel's cambelt is please mate ?
just had mine done so gonna make a note of when it needs doing again ..
Up to July 98 the interval is 6 years or 72,000 miles.(54,000 in adverse conditions...hard driving I would guess.)
After July 98 the interval is 80,000 miles. (60,000 miles in adverse conditions.)