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Need a bit of help i'm just doing the lower engine mount. This is o/s/f. So far i've drained the gearbox oil got the bottom balljoint and cv joint undone and clear. driveshaft supported with a bungee. undone the two 11mm nuts on the intermediate bearing had to take turbo pipe off to get better access also undone the metal bit with the bolt in it that goes through the engine mount. The part i'm having trouble with is getting the driveshaft out. I thought it would be just a question of pulling the driveshaft where the pot joint is. Is this driveshaft in 2 parts or something starting to go round the bend doing any help appreciated would like to get this done this afternoon as i'm so close now. Thanks

marco2002 wrote:Hi
Need a bit of help i'm just doing the lower engine mount. This is o/s/f. So far i've drained the gearbox oil got the bottom balljoint and cv joint undone and clear. driveshaft supported with a bungee. undone the two 11mm nuts on the intermediate bearing had to take turbo pipe off to get better access also undone the metal bit with the bolt in it that goes through the engine mount. The part i'm having trouble with is getting the driveshaft out. I thought it would be just a question of pulling the driveshaft where the pot joint is. Is this driveshaft in 2 parts or something starting to go round the bend doing any help appreciated would like to get this done this afternoon as i'm so close now. Thanks

There is only one place it can be stuck and that is at the intermediate bearing.

Unbolt the mounting bracket from the engine and see if that makes it easier to pull out the driveshaft from the gearbox, you can free up the mounting bracket with the driveshaft off.

The driveshaft is one piece.

Hi Jasper

The bearing was seized so just tapped it off the driveshaft gently with a small punch just about to go and press the new mount in. I think i'll pack the bearing with a bit of grease just until i can get a new bearing ordered. Thanks for your help glad i had a go at doing this myself i reckon it must be 2-3hrs labour in the garage. Saved a bit of money anyway.

I hope you got it all finished ok.

Hi Jasper
I got the engine mount done fine. The press didn't work on getting it out so i cut the rubber out and then cut slots in the metal and bashed the outside edges out with a drift and chisel. worked a treat then cleaned it all up and the new mount went in very easy with the press its a new improved engine mount looks slightly different to the one i took out.

The problem i've got now is that i put it all back together and now the driveshaft is making a knocking noise ( near the pot joint before the bearing) as you turn the wheel round by hand. The intermediate bearing went back in okay but there is a spacer behind it ( gearbox end same side as the 11mm nuts) and thats just floating about now before it was tight on the driveshaft so thats something not quite right. i was thinking about getting A new intermediate bearing have to see if i can get one from somewhere a bit quick and start again. Does the intermediate bearing come with a new spacer? It was getting dark when i finished up and tbh i'd just about had enough.

I'm wondering if i haven't engaged the driveshaft back in the gearbox quite right. Its something stupid i know . i feel a bit tired now been on this for a few hours now. Sometimes when things aren't going right its best to walk away and come back to it tommorow. If you can give a few pointers Jasper that would be good
Thanks

i thought [and i could be wrong] that on the bearing nuts all you had to do was loosen them and twist them and not fully withdraw them.

I think in usual circumstances you would be right but the bearing was seized and i had to use a small punch to get the bearing off the driveshaft. Had a bit of a think about what happened yesterday and i think the bearing is knackered. When i had a look it seemed to have freed up a bit. once it was all bolted up again there was a knocking noise from around the bearing/pot joint area. Just as a matter of interest what grease does the pot joint have in it as i have a small bit of oozing from the pot joint so i'll have to use a new metal tie i think i've just disturbed it. Not sure how easy these intermediate bearings are to come by.
Thanks for your help. I'll let you know how i get on.

marco2002 wrote:I think in usual circumstances you would be right but the bearing was seized and i had to use a small punch to get the bearing off the driveshaft. Had a bit of a think about what happened yesterday and i think the bearing is knackered. When i had a look it seemed to have freed up a bit. once it was all bolted up again there was a knocking noise from around the bearing/pot joint area. Just as a matter of interest what grease does the pot joint have in it as i have a small bit of oozing from the pot joint so i'll have to use a new metal tie i think i've just disturbed it. Not sure how easy these intermediate bearings are to come by.
Thanks for your help. I'll let you know how i get on.

I've never changed one of those bearings.

Did you locate the bolts with the 11mm nuts on correctly?

Those bolts have a flange on them to fit onto the bearing casing to grip it tight in the housing.

You may have got the flange in front of the bearing stopping it from going fully home.

The grease is CV joint grease.

hi jasper

The nuts are definately bearing against the bearing casing. That spacer that sits behind the bearing which you can see from the side where the 11mm nuts are is it meant to be attached to the bearing?

Just making a few phone calls to find if this bearing is easy to get hold of or if its a peugeot only part. When i put the new bearing in i'm assuming i'll have to take the casing off again and press the new bearing into the casing and make sure the 11mm nuts and bolts are done up with the lugs bearing against the bearing. Then i put the casing back on then the driveshaft can go back in?

Just an update intermediate bearing is £19.80 & the metal spacer £4.62 and you can only get them from peugeot. Takes two days to get the parts so car is off the road. The boss is lending me an audi to drive till its fixed so theres no rush just now. Won't be able to do the work on the car until sunday now got the afternoon off.

Hi Marco….I’m watching this post with interest as I have a leaky diff/driveshaft seal on my car. I’ve had a look and the engine mount looks reasonable so I might get away with just the seal. When you withdraw the driveshaft is the bearing tight on the shaft? I hope to just pull the shaft away enough to clear the diff and replace the seal. Good luck with the repair.

hello guys. i have spent all day today doing both of my bottom ball joints and the lower mounting. The intermediate bearing was tight but the two 11mm nuts give you the problem. rotate the other end with its cam shaped head to clear your bearing edge and a few good pulls on the shaft should free it. The top nut can be got at with a short stubby iimm comination spanner and then using your finger tips you can feel the cam come clear and move out of the way after the nut has been undone enough. If you are in any doubt about the condition of the lower mounting i'd change it now whilst you have the shaft out, rather than have to strip it all out again later, they are a regular item on this site! £24 from the stealers, about £10 from motorfactors, but a bugger to get out without a press or using the aforementioned hack saw and chisel route!

mark

Hi Moodybluetwo

I would replace that diff seal and save yourself having to do at a later date as you are doing the engine mount as well. The diff seal isn't that expensive. if the bearing is ok then the driveshaft should come out failry easily. the only reason i had trouble was because mine was seized and i had to tap it off the driveshaft ance that was done it was quite straight forward. i've just got my bearing and bush( its a metal spacer but they call it a bush?) So hopefully i can fit it all and get the car back on the road. I'm driving an Audi A3 1.8 and its a fuel guzzler been putting £10 in petrol in every day be glad to have the pug back as its more like £7-£8 a day over a week thats £10-£15.

I'll let you know what happens. There was a bit of grease oozing out of the boot on the pot joint just think i've disturbed it. Clean up re-pack with cv grease and put some new ties on. I have the part no's to get a bearing and bush from peugeot if you need them. Thanks

Got mine finished on Saturday. Both bottom ball joints. Got the special socket but too tight to undo so chiselled them both off, went well and new ones went back in easy with the socket so worth buying. Replaced the anti roll bar links and the front part of the exhaust with the flexi and cat (£82 quid from Nyanza's )I think i damaged this when i did the timing belt, so i think the book is right when it suggests you undo it. easy to do if you undo the double mount under the car and remove the clamp before the box. I pressed the engine mount out, but not sure about its rotation as my inner bit was completely trashed! made an assumed guess. All this has made a marked difference, especially the mounting. If anyone wants to borrow the socket and lives near cov let me know! Mark

I'm doing the driveshaft bearing (intermediate bearing) this afternoon. I'm quite tempted to buy that balljoint socket you're talking about as it seems to be a regular job. Balljoints don't seem to last very long i've replaced 2 of them in the last year and prior to that its a new set every 1-2 yrs so if i get the special socket it would save a bit of money and hassle. I'm doing 300-400miles every week. New balljoints only guaranteed for one year/12,000 thats what the motor factors said to me.
Just had a look in the haynes manual the intermediate bearing and bush have to be tapped onto the driveshaft there is an abutment just after the pot joint where they sit. It also says in the manual that you need a long reach bearing puller. I managed to just tap the old one out with a drift with a very small edge so it doesn't damage the race on the bearing. Tap it out towards the hub to get the driveshaft off then once its out you need to tap back the other way( towards the gearbox end of the d/s to get the bearing/bush off the abutment. If you do this though be very careful not to damage anything. I'm sure you can hire a bearing puller quite cheaply unfortunately living a rural location means we don't have any hire shops nearest one is 25miles away if i was still living in a city i'd definatley hire one. So If the bearing is okay leave it on the driveshaft and you won't have a problem like i did. There was a very slight droning noise on the o/s/f so i guess thats what the noise was. Just off to the car shop to get a few bits I've took a few pictures so maybe i'll post them at a later date for anyone who wants to have a go at this. I'll let you know how i get on later