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2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:27 pm
by mike432
My 406 2001 on a Y plate has done 256142 mies and has, to me, a weird problem.
The foot throttle is very sliuggish and takes its time to reach speed, good for economy.
Yet if you accererate using the cruise control, I get a powerful acceraration as if you have put your foot down with no problems.
Thoughts please.
This car is new to me and is the first "Fly By Wire" computer controlled car.
I prefer points, condensers and distributors or rotary injection pumps.

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:22 pm
by nutski
The first thing i would check would be the throttle cable, there is a clip to adjust it as it can stretch over time.
Pull up the slack and adjust the clip and see how it goes

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:14 pm
by mike432
The throttle cable has no slack in it.
When I throttle up from idle in neutral the revs go up normaly.
It just when normally driving and i put my foot down there is a big lag in accereration.
if I slowly put on the power the speed does increase, eg; I cannot shift down and put on a spurt to overtake yet i can cruise at motorway speeds comfortably the computer showing around 48 to 50mpg at 80.
When using the cruise control going down a hill there is no power applied yet when going up a hill the acceleraration is powerful, as I would expect for a 2ltr motor when you put your foot down.
I have not looked into how the cruise control works but would imagine it works on manifold vacuum somehow.
Would an split vacuum or air hose give an accelaration fault via the foot throttle?

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 am
by Captain Jack
What about a fault throttle position sensor?

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 pm
by Doggy
mike432 wrote:I have not looked into how the cruise control works but would imagine it works on manifold vacuum somehow.
Would an split vacuum or air hose give an accelaration fault via the foot throttle?
It's entirely controlled by the engine ecu - it simply adjusts the fuelling to maintain set speed in the same way it should in response to throttle position sensor input, (which is why people are suggesting that's at fault).

Do you know anyone with a PP2000 system who could tell you quickly if the TPS data is OK?

(If you haven't already, mention your location - someone nearby may help). :wink:

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:59 pm
by paulm
My car is like this too only it doesn't have cruise control so i'm interested in the end result of this thread

Paul

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:53 pm
by Busman
I had this on mine. I took the TPS off, cleaned it's insides with WD40, and it's been very good since. Worth a go for no money spent.

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:06 pm
by madmadmax
if you are local to me in sheffield yorkshire you can have it plugged in for free you will have to come to me as i don't drive

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:03 pm
by Busman
madmadmax wrote:if you are local to me in sheffield yorkshire you can have it plugged in for free you will have to come to me as i don't drive
A generous offer.
Did we ever get anywhere with a map of people who have pp2000 or similar kit?

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:05 pm
by jonsowman

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:07 pm
by Busman
jonsowman wrote:From Peugeot Forums:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid= ... 1b9c&msa=0
well done that man!

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:14 pm
by madmadmax
we(406oc) did not get to far with it, the Peugeot forum however has a lot of users and info on there

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:30 pm
by mike432
sorry, been away and not near my Pc.
I am in huntingdon where the A1 and A14 intersect.
I will try dissasembly and cleaning on Saturday and let you know the results.
That along with replacing the rear brake discs, shoes and pads.

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:48 pm
by Doggy
Mike,

I work in Huntingdon - PM me if you want to try my diagnostic kit.

Re: 2001 406 110 HDI Estate - lack of powerish

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:21 pm
by mike432
Thanks Doggy,
I will clean what i can and see what happens.
It has just had its MOT yesterday at 256000 miles, so the running in period has just about finished anyway.
I will be in contact anyway.
Mike