Shudder or Stall Immediately on Start

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rlees85
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Shudder or Stall Immediately on Start

Post by rlees85 »

Morning...

I got a really weird problem with a 206 HDI (2.0, 90, same as the 406 HDI 90 :wink:) hence why I am asking over here..!

Sometimes, on start up, if the car has been left (the longer the more chance it will happen) and if it has been raining (the wetter again the more chance it will happen) on first attempt at start, you can hear the engine fire literally 1 or 2 injections then stalls. Other times it will cough instead of stalling.

Once started, it runs, drives, etc, perfectly. After the first initial start, or even on re-attempt if it stalls, it starts up completely perfect and runs fine.

My first point of blame was the battery, so I fitted a new Varta D15 (decent battery, more than enough cold cranking amps for our engine). Made no difference... Voltage across battery is good and voltage with alternator running is 14.5V so seems good there too.

My second point of blame is starter motor as it sounds like it is struggling sometimes but this morning it was cranking at a good speed but still immediate stall.

Not sure what to look at next, any ideas?

Other relevant things:
  • Injector Corrections good (within +/- 1)
  • Rail Pressure good (very close to requested value, builds quickly at cranking, etc)
  • Tiny bit of swarf in fuel filter but not sure about how long its been in there for. I changed the filter gave the housing a damn good clean and will see how it goes at next service
  • Lift pump sounds fine and consistent when ignition is on. Goes off after about 5 seconds as it should. No weird or changing sounds there...
  • Is not the EGR, this has been removed (both mechanically and in ECU map). Had the problem both before and after this.
  • No faults in PP2000, on any ECU.
  • Multiplexed car (has BSI)
Don't know what to look at next :shock:

Any ideas could be great.
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Doggy
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Re: Shudder or Stall Immediately on Start

Post by Doggy »

You seem to have checked all the obvious points.
The only thing I've experienced that's remotely similar was my old Xsara HDi 90, which very occasionally didn't start 1st time. When this happenend there was always a noise, which seemed to come from the exhaust, like it had fired with an exhaust valve open.
Never got to the bottom of it, but I was thinking crank sensor loose, or maybe at the extreme threshold of its sensing range, (more likely to play up with the reduced voltage available while cranking).
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
rlees85
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Re: Shudder or Stall Immediately on Start

Post by rlees85 »

To be honest I may never get to the bottom of this unless it gets worse and becomes a problem. If I do find out what it is I will make sure I post back :?
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