90 to 110

Discuss, ask, or get help with engine and mechanical queries in here.

Moderator: Moderators

dave406
2.0 Turbo
Posts: 380
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:28 pm

90 to 110

Post by dave406 »

whats need to conver t a hdi 90 to 110
(02) 406 2.0 HDi GTX Estate AUTO AC+SN in Delft Blue aka Rhodes Blue
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: 90 to 110

Post by Doggy »

Short answer is too much to make it worthwhile.
Either swap the car for a 110/2.2 or pay for a remap to give you about 125 bhp for something like £80
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
dave406
2.0 Turbo
Posts: 380
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:28 pm

Re: 90 to 110

Post by dave406 »

Not for me someone posed the question regarding the car I'm breaking
(02) 406 2.0 HDi GTX Estate AUTO AC+SN in Delft Blue aka Rhodes Blue
PeterN
3.0 24v
Posts: 1673
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:04 pm
Location: Charmouth, Dorset

Re: 90 to 110

Post by PeterN »

I wouldn't have thought that fitting the intercooler would be much of a problem if you have a donor car for the hoses etc. I appreciate that the fuel delivery will need to be increased could that not be programmed - just curious.

Peter
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: 90 to 110

Post by Doggy »

90's have a mechanical wastegate, 110's are controlled by the ecu & have a MAP sensor & wiring, so ecu firmware is different....
The ecu's matched to the BSI and ignition transponder, so not easy to swap that over
Later 90's have Siemens fuel system, no lift pump and a completely different fuel pressure regulator set-up
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
piglet
2.0 Turbo
Posts: 298
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:03 pm
Location: Gatwick

Re: 90 to 110

Post by piglet »

Doggy wrote: pay for a remap for something like £80
You might be a bit out of touch.
2003 estate Hdi90 Siemens Fully pimped (roofrack&towbar)
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: 90 to 110

Post by Doggy »

You're right.
hdi-tuning.co.uk wrote:Online Remap 2.0 or 2.2 EDC15 £99.00 GBP
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
PeterN
3.0 24v
Posts: 1673
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:04 pm
Location: Charmouth, Dorset

Re: 90 to 110

Post by PeterN »

Doggy wrote:90's have a mechanical wastegate, 110's are controlled by the ecu & have a MAP sensor & wiring, so ecu firmware is different....
The ecu's matched to the BSI and ignition transponder, so not easy to swap that over
Later 90's have Siemens fuel system, no lift pump and a completely different fuel pressure regulator set-up
Right thanks, didn't realise that.

Peter
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: 90 to 110

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

Yes all above is correct but,
The 90's can be remapped to 150bhp,
The intercooler is easy enough to retro fit,
As others have said pop over to hdi-tuning.co.uk for more information :D
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
User avatar
Welly
The moderator formally known as Welton
Posts: 15033
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:52 pm
Location: East Midlandfordshire

Re: 90 to 110

Post by Welly »

Doggy wrote:You're right.
hdi-tuning.co.uk wrote:Online Remap 2.0 or 2.2 EDC15 £99.00 GBP
Please desist in misleading members with your inaccurate information :P

Whilst I'm at it can you get me a price for a new back box? you seem cheaper than most online places I've found, thanks.
Cars in my care:
2021 Kia Spottage 1.6 Pez Turbo Dual Clutch Gearbox Trickery
2013 Renner Twingo - donkey work
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: 90 to 110

Post by Doggy »

Certainly, Cistern or Vulva?
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: 90 to 110

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

:arrowu: :lol: , l.m.a.o :arrowu:

ps. Anyone find a bosal for the estate :roll:
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
PeterN
3.0 24v
Posts: 1673
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:04 pm
Location: Charmouth, Dorset

Re: 90 to 110

Post by PeterN »

Thanks for that Ben, I have run four of these engines and have had no problems until my wife's lost power below 2000 rpm which I think is a turbo control issue, suddenly comes to life at 2000 rpm. I have yet to check all the vacuum hoses. We have been driving it like this for sometime and generally its OK unless you are suddenly confronted with a steep hill. I have swapped the MAF with mine and it makes no difference.

The power output of the 110 hp suits me fine so I'm no bothered about improving it, 50 years ago maybe :wink: I still do a fair mileage but mostly in the slow lane. Mind you I drove a 206 90HP the other day and that took off, reminded me of the BX turbo - and about as refined. :(

Peter
PeterN
3.0 24v
Posts: 1673
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:04 pm
Location: Charmouth, Dorset

Re: 90 to 110

Post by PeterN »

I would be afraid of head gasket failure :shock: . I get 50 - 60 mpg in normal (but somewhat gentle) driving so I don't think I can improve that much but thanks for the info.

Peter
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: 90 to 110

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

Peter,
You can get an economy map, gives about 125bhp & up to an extra 10 mpg
In theory :roll:

With regards to the head gasket, yeah tell me about it but ANY older car when worked hard
Will blow the head gasket remapped or not, I blame a fully laden caravan in my case :frown:
+ My inability to drive at 50mph :roll:

But I take it as an excuse for her to come back better & stronger :cheesy:

Ben, what make is your clutch & how are you getting on with it :?:
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
Post Reply