HDI 90 engine issue

Discuss, ask, or get help with engine and mechanical queries in here.

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
CrazyPeteUK
1.8 8v
Posts: 23
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom

HDI 90 engine issue

Post by CrazyPeteUK »

Good afternoon,

I need to help from you guys again, I recently had my Peugeot 406 HDI Rapier 2000 seviced.
The car went in with a Engine management light on, was showing Clutch actuator switch too high on OBD2 I had.

The garage I used are pretty good and the code was found to be incorrect and issues pointing to the MAF sensor, as the mechanics there had diagnosed it and cleaned the sensor, a week later and the issue with the light has come back.
Car is struggling to pick up speed on Motorways etc, I put her into 4th and 5th gear and the power band seems to go....

5th gear and foot to the floor and the car is doing 55 MPH on flat road, 70 going down hill lol.
I have ordered a MAF sensor replacement, as I believe that is the issue.

Can anyone please help me? :(

Can is currently at 143,000 miles on the clock. :!:
Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI Rapier 2000 model. - "My first car" 143000 miles
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

If it's still the o.e maf then it'll be done for,
These go out of trim through use.
Always go for a genuine one, not a cheep eBay one as it'll be no better if not worse.
You can always try unplugging your's,
I can't remember if it works on the Siemens 90bhp but it works on the Bosch 110bhp.
Must be worth a quick try.
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
GingerMagic
3.0 24v
Posts: 3569
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:02 pm
Location: Bournemouth

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by GingerMagic »

It sounds like your car is in limp mode.

You can run with MAF unplugged, no issues, and it's possible to run without the clutch pedal switch plugged in too ( although it buggers up cruise control if it's fitted )

Many faults on the 406s are wrong if read by a generic code reader - so I would suggest a cleaning of the throttle position sensor, and maybe blank the EGR.
If either of these are giving duff information to the other sensors then there will be a coherence issue, which would lead to limp mode or fault lights.
2003 2.2hdi estate - mine
1998 Volvo 940 auto estate - also mine
2019 Citroen C3 something - the wife's
PP2000 user, can help with faults / diagnostics in the Bournemouth area.
CrazyPeteUK
1.8 8v
Posts: 23
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by CrazyPeteUK »

Evening lads,

Thanks for the replies. I took the car out yesterday for a drive with the MAF disconnected it drove so much better, I cleared the Engine light too.
I've ordered a second hand MAF sensor. For now I have sprayed the sensor with WD-40 Contact Spray cleaner, tested the car without the MAF connected and it moved like a Rocket compared to the previous day.

As I had previously stated the car was being very sluggish and unresponsive on the Expressways/Motorways.... Over taking a wagon doing 50mph was quite stressful. I had the car serviced and the mechanics I know had mentioned the MAF, Just hope the replacement turns up sooner than later as I'm working a temp job this side of Christmas.

I noticed the harness that connects to the MAF as a nick in the cable.
Attachments
130800013_10223383728758673_5381154386170030361_o.jpg
(346.14 KiB) Not downloaded yet
Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI Rapier 2000 model. - "My first car" 143000 miles
CrazyPeteUK
1.8 8v
Posts: 23
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by CrazyPeteUK »

Here are a couple more photos.
Attachments
IMG_20201206_144940_339.jpg
(872.55 KiB) Not downloaded yet
IMG_20201206_144908_576.jpg
(689.27 KiB) Not downloaded yet
Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI Rapier 2000 model. - "My first car" 143000 miles
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19798
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by steve_earwig »

Oops! You you have mice? Check for more damage.

Btw I see that dirty engine oil can conduct electricity, but I guess you already doused the connector in WD.
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

That first picture with the wire,
That's just the outer insulation broken through it going brittle.
This problem get's worse the older the car get's & Peugeot are renowned for small gauge low quality wire & plugs :roll:

I personally wouldn't waste my money on a used MAF.
Just drive round with yours unplugged untill you can afford a new genuine one.
Your car will be in it's base settings, so economy won't be as good as with a fully working MAF but that's about it.

Glad to be of help & that you found out your problem.

Just wish I could find out my airbag issue's as easily
I'm already £300 in the hole trying to solve it & the bastard things still on / ecu no communicating with the BSI :x
I'm that far in with it that I can't just throw in the towel & brake it :(
Anyway it's too good a car for that.
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19798
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by steve_earwig »

dirtydirtydiesel wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:42 pm small gauge low quality wire & plugs
Never owned a Japanese car :supafrisk:
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

steve_earwig wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:18 pm
dirtydirtydiesel wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:42 pm small gauge low quality wire & plugs
Never owned a Japanese car :supafrisk:
Yes thanks Steve,
I had a 2001 Toyota Avensis 2.0 16v pezzer,
The most reliable car I've ever owned, but S.W.M.B.O hated it, said it was a mini cab :roll:
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
GingerMagic
3.0 24v
Posts: 3569
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:02 pm
Location: Bournemouth

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by GingerMagic »

I've only ever owned one Japanese car - albeit in disguise...

A 1983 Triumph Acclaim :cheesy:

It was brilliant - reliable, comfortable, surprisingly well built, easy to work on ( the different size bolts were colour coded..! ) and fairly nippy for a 1.3.
It was a grandad style car so I never got pulled over by the local constabulary despite my exuberant driving - however that all changed when I part exchanged it for a Fiesta Supersport... :roll:
2003 2.2hdi estate - mine
1998 Volvo 940 auto estate - also mine
2019 Citroen C3 something - the wife's
PP2000 user, can help with faults / diagnostics in the Bournemouth area.
dirtydirtydiesel
3.0 24v
Posts: 1521
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
Location: Coalville, Leics.

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by dirtydirtydiesel »

GingerMagic wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:32 pm I've only ever owned one Japanese car - albeit in disguise...

A 1983 Triumph Acclaim :cheesy:

It was brilliant - reliable, comfortable, surprisingly well built, easy to work on ( the different size bolts were colour coded..! ) and fairly nippy for a 1.3.
It was a grandad style car so I never got pulled over by the local constabulary despite my exuberant driving - however that all changed when I part exchanged it for a Fiesta Supersport... :roll:
Ginger!
You've owned some bad car's :supafrisk:

You kept quite about the new 2.2 estate :wink:

You keeping the Coupe or is it going to pastures new?
2002 110 HDi estate, Rapier in monaco blue! ( found quite a bit more power :cheesy: ) SOLD I've sorted the airbag light :cheesy:
1998 3.0 V6 SE coupe in Diablo Red ( my baby ) sold
2006 206 1.4 16v sport in Aegean blue ( wife's shopping trolley :roll: )

2006 BMW e61 535d m-sport :supafrisk: run's for cover :lol:
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19798
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by steve_earwig »

The only thing I remember about the acclaim was it used CX500 carbs (which overheated).

I've had 1 x Ni$$an and 2 x Toyotas and the wiring in them is tiny, tiny, tiny :shock: The wiring in the Pug was about 4 times the size (and the connectors are mostly Bosch afaik.)
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
CrazyPeteUK
1.8 8v
Posts: 23
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by CrazyPeteUK »

Afternoon Gents!

It's been a week now since I have fitted the replacement MAF, and the car is running fine.
Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI Rapier 2000 model. - "My first car" 143000 miles
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: HDI 90 engine issue

Post by Doggy »

Well done you! 8)
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
Post Reply