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Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:26 pm
by Doggy
Discovered
this article and a few other related items which indicate Morrisons are selling B30 biodiesel widely and Peugeot approve its use in HDi engines.
I've seen 1.9TDs running on mixed veg oil/mineral diesel and they seemed quieter, smoother and perhaps a bit more powerful, so I'm tempted to give it a go.
Freely admit I'd prefer not to be a pioneer, so has anyone tried it? thought about it?
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:46 pm
by swiss
Just discovered this very thing not five days ago. Was going to see about it next time I fill up (takes me bleedin' forever to get through a tank of fuel, damned 50mpg

)
If it's a 1.9 it's got a Bosch and as I understand it, those things will pump more or less anything short of residual fuel
Wonder if I could convert it to run on residual fuel?
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:38 am
by Doggy
swiss wrote:If it's a 1.9 it's got a Bosch and as I understand it, those things will pump more or less anything short of residual fuel
Wonder if I could convert it to run on residual fuel?
I'm sure you're right with a TD, I was wondering if anyone's tried it in a HDi
Doubt if - but filtered waste veg oil is free & legal
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:32 am
by mark21TD
I used to run the wife's 806 HDI on home made biodiesel with no problems up to B100, it actualy ran bettor with more power and smoother (B100 = 100% bio, B30 = 30% bio 70% diesel).
Morisons bio is made from 15% new oil and 15% used oil.
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:01 am
by Welly
Just do it Doggy - if Peugeot say it's ok then why not?
*rings around for a price on 4 x Piezo injectors*
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:50 pm
by Doggy
Welton wrote:Just do it Doggy - if Peugeot say it's ok then why not?
*rings around for a price on 4 x Piezo injectors*
If one were looking for an example of a respected pillar of our community, well-placed to test something on behalf of the club, then I can think of no better than the Honourable Member for Market Harborough.....
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:13 pm
by MartinV6
My understanding is that Biodiesel is an entirely different thing to any variant of fuel from waste vegetable oil.
Any sort of waste oil based fuel is likely to cause issues to modern diesel (mid 80s onwards) fuel pumps, fuel lines and the like. Things can be done to get around that, but you cannot go putting waste oil straight into a modern diesel.
Biodiesel is just some sort of more environmentally friendly blend of normal diesel. There is no way on earth a supermarket would be selling it on a normal forecourt unless they were absolutely sure it was safe for every vehicle. The lawsuits would be many, and nasty otherwise.
Martin.
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:31 pm
by Welly
dogslife wrote:Welton wrote:Just do it Doggy - if Peugeot say it's ok then why not?
*rings around for a price on 4 x Piezo injectors*
If one were looking for an example of a respected pillar of our community, well-placed to test something on behalf of the club, then I can think of no better than the Honourable Member for Market Harborough.....
Hey, with it coming up for sale I'd try running it on shampoo for the sake of this club
On a similar note - I got my Briggs & Stratton powered rotary mower to run on a mixture of Barbeque lighting fluid and WD40 last year

the knocking noise was a bit weird, and the smell, but it was worth it I thought just or the experiment (Mrs Welly was out shopping

)
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:34 pm
by teamster1975
Welton wrote:Hey, with it coming up for sale I'd try running it on shampoo for the sake of this club

Nice clean injectors with natural bounce!

Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:52 pm
by mark21TD
MartinV6 wrote:My understanding is that Biodiesel is an entirely different thing to any variant of fuel from waste vegetable oil.
Any sort of waste oil based fuel is likely to cause issues to modern diesel (mid 80s onwards) fuel pumps, fuel lines and the like. Things can be done to get around that, but you cannot go putting waste oil straight into a modern diesel.
Biodiesel is just some sort of more environmentally friendly blend of normal diesel. There is no way on earth a supermarket would be selling it on a normal forecourt unless they were absolutely sure it was safe for every vehicle. The lawsuits would be many, and nasty otherwise.
Martin.
Biodiesel is made from veg oil (waste or new) and has nothing to do with normal diesel,
bio is veg oil mixed with methanol and Naoh or KOH (in the right quontaties), not to be mixed up with filtered veg oil (the 1.9td's run well on this) I know as I've now made about 1000L of the stuff all from waste oil collected for free so it costs me about 16ppl and I have been running my cars on it with no problems.

Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:05 pm
by Welly
I think it's kinda cool making you own fuel - messy, but cool
Trouble is I suppose we will run out of old skool Diesel's to run on the stuff
Aren't the old Mercs good with this stuff?
Don't do what my Friend did on his VW Polo SDi and gradually increase the mix of "Crisp n Dry" (I kid you not) untill it blows all the seals in the fuel pump (£300.00 from a scrapper and a huuuuuuge headache with the imobiliser etc)

Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:32 pm
by swiss
As luck would have it, my other half is a Merry Can and we therefore deep fry 90% of our food. Seriously, try it, your arteries will thank you.
I've just turned round and told her no more throwing away old oil. Time to build me a filtration unit. Possibly with a built-in clock and AM radio...
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:28 am
by Welly
"American girl falls for the chalms of a Southampton sailor shocker"
see inset for details.
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:19 pm
by mark21TD
swiss wrote:As luck would have it, my other half is a Merry Can and we therefore deep fry 90% of our food. Seriously, try it, your arteries will thank you.
I've just turned round and told her no more throwing away old oil. Time to build me a filtration unit. Possibly with a built-in clock and AM radio...
Go for it swiss, your 1.9 will love it
Build yourself a filtration unit so you can heat to 60c, stand for two days for any water to drop out, drain the water off, then filter through 80 > 50 > 20 > 10 > 1 micron filters (standard water filters will do fine) then pop it in the tank. Soon you will be collecting from local fast-food outlets like me. Visit
www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk for more info, I'm on there as "mark" BTW.
Water filters can be got from "printer8" on the veggie site for a very good price
WARNING do not do this with an HDI or a 2.1 unless you have very deep pockets.
Re: Biodiesel at Morrisons - anyone tried it?
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:18 pm
by swiss
Welton wrote:"American girl falls for the chalms of a Southampton sailor shocker"
see inset for details.
Breaking news - Market Harborough local involved in spelling error :p