Rear ABS Ring?

[keppler]

Hi all,
It's been a while since I've had to come on here but that's a good thing isn't it .
Anyway the spring loaded retaining nuts on one pair of rear brake shoes pulled through the rusted up back plate and ended up chewing the teeth on the abs reluctor ring. So now it's bang bang bang time through the brake pedal when I'm driving. The problem is I'm only seeing the front reluctor rings for sale on ebay and I'm wondering if anyone on the forum knows if they're the same as the rear ones? It's just that the hub is so expensive over here in Ireland (80 - 100euro) and by the time I pay delivery from the UK its nearly not worth it either.
Well any experts out there know the answer?

[jasper5]

I'm fairly sure the reluctor ring is part of the hub on the rear.

Did the ring get destroyed or could it be filed square?

[keppler]

hi jasper,
When you say 'part of the hub' do you mean its integrated or is it just stuck on like the way it is on the front cv joint ie expanded by heating it up and then letting it shrink around the joint.
My Plan is to pull off the hub, remove the reluctor ring and fit the new one in the same way as you would do the front one. Then it would only be a matter of re-greasing the bearing and refitting the hub.
I know some people say that when you remove the hub the bearing gets damaged beyond repair but I removed the hub on the other side two years ago to put fresh grease in the bearing and its still fine approximately 30k miles on.
To answer your question the ring itself is not broken but three of the teeth are partly - fully chipped off

[jasper5]

Yes, you can remove the hubs without damaging them.

Anyway, according to my parts suppliers the ring is integrated into the hub, you need to buy a full hub if you want a reluctor ring.
I don't know where you are pricing these hubs from, but they are a lot cheaper than 80 to 100 Euro over here, at least half that.

I think you should shop around.

Maybe get a second hand hub?

[keppler]

yeah Ive just been shopping there on ebay.co.uk but its still about 50 euro after delivery to ireland. It just sucks that I have to replace all that for a few broken teeth on a ring! ah well...thanks for the info

[steve_earwig]

I've just been Googling to see if anyone managed to replace just the rear reluctor ring, plenty of people asking but but it doesn't seem to have happened. Nobody seems to list one either

I'm just wondering if it is part of the hub or it's fitted like the front ones. Would it be worth seeing if it can be split. then measuring the diameter and seeing if anyone makes one at that size?

[GingerMagic]

I would personally replace the hub anyway - it may get damage when removing it, which you have to do to remove and replace / patch up the back-plates. Maybe try to fix the old ring and keep as a spare?
For 50 Euros you are getting a brand new hub with reluctor ring which should easily last as long as you own your car...

[dirtydirtydiesel]

+1, Your'll be putting a new bearing in & anyway you've got no other choice but secondhand .
So unless it's free I'd be putting a new one on & make sure you do a good job of the backplate repair while your in there.
B.T.W a pair of backplates is £190 from the steelers , The only place you can get them. .
Top tip use M5 stainless countersunks 45mm long with C type stainless M5 washers ( C type is larger on the o/d ) & M5 stainless nyloc nut's, a good fix if you don't want to replace your backplates, if in dought check out my post on rebuilding my rear brakes.

If your trying to be realy tight you could allways strip yours down & rebuild the teeth with, J.B weld or chemical metal & then file back to shape.
After all they are only for the sensor to pic up on, they are not structual or load bearing/holding anything on ect: .
Not my choice but I can vouch for chemical metal ( a ex bike club racer ), you can drill / machine / tap this stuff

[keppler]

thanks for all the advice so far guys.
the back plates aren't actually in too bad of condition. I was giving the other half lessons when she tried to take off with the hand brake still on and she drove for a couple of yards giving plenty of throttle. the little phillips head screw like things just pulled through the back plates is all, the ones that hold the shoes to the backplates.
Yeah thats exactly what im wondering myself, can the ring be broken off with a chisel and a new one glued on like on the front corners? I find it very hard to believe that peugeot would go to such extravagant manufacturing techniques so as to produce a hub with integrated abs ring on the outside! surely it would be easier for them to just fix the reluctor ring onto a machined hub the same as they did with the front cv joints.
Surely if they were going to go to the trouble of integrating the ring at manufacturing level then they would have integrated it the same way they do with the 407 ie. inside the bearing/hub itself
Maybe if someone has access to an old hub they wouldn't mind measuring the ring and seeing if they can break it off
As regards the liquid metal dirtydiesel, I thought reluctor rings are slightly magnetic? I don't know if that would have the desired effect on the abs sensor even though it would be structurally sound. Am I wrong here?

[dirtydirtydiesel]

Don't honistly know the answer to that one bud, like I said if it were me I'd put new hub's on as I can get them for £40 a peace no brainer if you ask me.
But I did think that the sensor just counted the teeth on the reluctor ring ?

[keppler]

No worries dirtydirtydiesel.
Any chance you and I could set up a small import/export business
Looks like I have no choice but to get a new hub so. When I get around to replacing it I'll measure the ring and check for sure if it is integrated into the hub.