406 hdi bsi nightmare !! HELP!

[dodgeram2500]

i have a 406 hdi ( late 2000 ) anyway... the central locking went crazy and nothing would work apart from o/s/r door which was running all the time and the air con had packed up.. anyhow upon further investigation all the central locking motors were burnt out apart from the o/s/r door one which had broken the drive so the motor was just spinning... i sent the bsi to bba reman who phoned me to say they had found fault and could repair it.. in the meantime i replaced all the door lock units.. bsi comes back, air con working fine but all the central locking motors are running all the time.. trying to burn themselves out again. the bsi was sent back, once again bba phoned to say they,ve found fault and could fix it... but upon delivery today its still the same.. i borrowed a bsi of an identical car and the locking reset itself and stopped... so to my mind its the bsi at fault. bba are taking it back again but i think its a waste of time.. anyone have any experience / ideas?? bba are trying to fob me off by telling me it works on their bench and not one 406 has the same wiring loom thats why the secondhand bsi works!!

its been nearly three weeks now. bba say they will refund so long as i buy a new bsi from pug @ £270 plus vat then pay out for programming etc

[RayneR]

I would say that the people who is behind the repair of your BSI doesn't know what they are messing with for starters ... have you tried to contact your nearest Pug dealer ? They could do some reset to the BSI somehow, or just to tell you to buy a new BSI cuz your is fried, this is the 2 possibility's i have from the dealer, But wait until some more expert guy comes by and tries to help.

[steve_earwig]

No useful reply I'm afraid but it seems a bit rich that bba consider themselves to be the only alternative to the dealer.

Get another BSI (breakers?), fix it yourself and then threaten to take BBA to court under the 1982 Supply of Goods and Services Act?

[RayneR]

No useful reply I'm afraid but it seems a bit rich that bba consider themselves to be the only alternative to the dealer.

Get another BSI (breakers?), fix it yourself and then threaten to take BBA to court under the 1982 Supply of Goods and Services Act?

the problem of getting another BSI, is that, doesn't it applys to buy all the other matching components ? ECU, BSI, transponder ? correct me if i'm wrong

[steve_earwig]

I don't think he'll need all that, it will need coding to the ecu though (AFAIK).

[RayneR]

so in this case if i want to upgrade/change my BSI can i just change the BSI ? So then i'll need PP2000 to code VIN the BSI ? Wouldn't this change make my plip keys and stuff not working ? when you mean needs coding on the ECU what exactly needs to be coded ? some sort of " key " of the BSI, so the ECU recognise it ?

Sorry for being a bit off topic here, i'm just too much curious.

[steve_earwig]

And I'm too much ignorant I know it can be done, I just don't know how much there is to it.

[Doggy]

I'd hang up the shovel, Steve.....

Sorry, I don't know either.

Wasp's probably your man.

[steve_earwig]

Shovel? I'd like to be able to help but once more it annoys me that I know so little about my own car.

This is Wasp's thread: viewtopic.php?t=6711 For 100 quid I wouldn't worry about having the BSI programmed to talk to the ecu (not ever sure it needs this but I'd think so) because you'd need to go to Pug for this to be done (car transported, huge labour charges for plugging it in and pushing a few keys). Adding the mileage on might be a pain (btw the mileage is stored in both the clocks & BSI and if another set of clocks is put on the car it adds both numbers together - some sort of plan to stop people modifying the mileage by swapping clocks with less miles on them?) so perhaps it might be necessary to buy the clocks too (or it's a trip to Pug presumably with evidence...)

I'm still annoyed by BBA's attitude. What if you send the BSI back to them when you're done, then they can't suspect you're trying to scam them if they have the thing in their grubby mitts. Try to resist putting half a pound of Semtex in it...

[omega]

dont know if all you clever guys are missing something here[or maybe im missing something but i dont know about bsi],but in the first post he says he borrowed a bsi unit and it solved the proplem

[FarmerPug]

before you get a different bsi you can check a few things yourself.

the multiplug in the passenger footwell, is it sitting in damp, are the contacts rusted then take them out and give them a good cleaning.

the plugs on top of the bsi clean them if they are dirty corroded, and check for a good connection.

open up the bsi and check if there is any dry solder joints, they are a bit duller than the rest and can look a bit cracked.

and a bsi reset can never do any harm (although it rarely does any good )

[steve_earwig]

I'd think BBA would have spotted any obvious faults (hopefully...) and testing another BSI proved it wasn't the car at fault.

dont know if all you clever guys are missing something here[or maybe im missing something but i dont know about bsi],but in the first post he says he borrowed a bsi unit and it solved the proplem

That problem but did it run? Good point though, it would be interesting to know what faults came up because of it (although I'm hoping the ignition didn't actually go on - imagine the mileage!)

[dodgeram2500]

lots of replies!!! my main problem with bba really was them phoning me up and say weve found fault with air con and central locking, it can be repaired.. great!! then it comes back air con working but locking still not fixed.. i send it back, they ring me and say once again theyve found the fault and replaced this that and the other now its fine... get it back still the same!!! upon phoning them again i was told it cant be the bsi because of x,y and z and the bsi tested perfectly on the test bed also that they had changed the locking relay.. what about the other components then?? the guy i spoke to at this time seemed to have no knowledge of such a thing being done... so who is bullshitting me!! do they know its a buggered unit and rather than admit it and refund my money theyre trying to make out its my fault or the cars wiring, which according to them is different on every single 406 ever made... the car has been off road for nearly four weeks now which in turn has more than doubled my fuel bill as im having to use my 'weekend' car... i was really wondering if anyone knew much about the locking system the guy at bba did admit as far as he knew the bsi did all the control for it.. having borrowed another and that was fine surely its the bsi??? then i got all the normal waffle how it could be a door lock or ant scratching its arse on a connector etc..

i dont really know what to do... pug want £270 plus vat for new bsi and an hours labour to programme it in.. might be cheaper in the end..

also when i plugged in borrowed bsi mileage went to 965,000!!

[maxi]

I had a similar problem with a year 2000 1.8. Went through the usual checking process and got nowhere. The immobilizer, BSI and ECU are all linked. In the end I bought a secondhand lockset immobilizer, BSi/ECU from a cat c scrapped car. for £100. Fitted it all in couple of hours. Had the 'new' unit reprogrammed ( £30.) to take care of the spot lamps on my car and it worked without problem. You will inherit the mileage reading of the donor car though unless your ' tecky' will change it, most are reluctant as this is how cars are 'clocked'