Instrument Panel Change

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Instrument Panel Change

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Hi all,

If I fit the 5 gauge instrument panel from a D8 GLX to my 2.1TD D8 LX (which has a 4 gauge panel), will the oil gauge just work? Or does it require additional wiring not present in my car?

Could someone with servicebox perhaps see whether my car has the oil level sensor fitted please?

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There's an oil level sender that needs to be fitted for it to work, I tried doing the same on my old 1.8LX.
I didn't bother fitting it as there's always the old fashioned method of checking the dipstick! :P
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Excellent, thank you very much! I shan't bother with the 5 gauge panel then :)

Really appreciate your help :)
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Though to be honest I might be able to get hold of the sender... is it easy to fit? Is the rest of the loom in place?
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I thought the LX spec would have had the oil level gauge anyway, seeing as my GLX has the level and temp gauge. I thought only the base models had no oil gauge or rev counter?
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leestudd30 wrote:I thought the LX spec would have had the oil level gauge anyway?
Nope, only GLX and higher.
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My GLX has only a 4 gauge panel :(

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Bump!
Same question but for D9: if I get a 5-clock instrument panel with the oil temperature then will it work?

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Re: Instrument Panel Change

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no ive change my d9 from 4 clocks to 5 and oil gauge doesnt work
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Maybe it just needs PP2000 to enable it?
Cf.: And what happens with the mileage?
Is the mileage displayed the sum of the mileage of the car and the mileage of the replaced instrument unit?

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my car is displaying the milage of the old car the clocks came from im not sure if pp2000 will turn it on or not but would be worth looking into
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The instrument panel section in Service Box has by far the largest number of permutations of any part I've seen:
  • GRADUATION KMS/H AND GRADUATION 260 KM/H 150 M/H WHITE LAND CL CHROME SINCE RPO No. 09635
    • 6105 01 - BVM5 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6105 03 - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
    • 6105 05 - BVA AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6105 07 - BVA AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
  • GRADUATION KMS/H AND WITH CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS
    • 6104 S3 NFP - BVM5 SINCE RPO No. 08488 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YG
      • - BVM5 SINCE RPO No. 09001 UNTIL RPO No. 09569 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
      • - BVM5 SINCE RPO No. 09570 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6101 PN NFP - BVM AND DIESEL FUEL UNTIL RPO No. 08575
    • 6104 58 NFP - BVM AND DIESEL FUEL SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08487
    • 6104 X0 - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08488 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YP - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
    • 6104 CT NFP
      • - BVA4 AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM SINCE RPO No. 08575 UNTIL RPO No. 08784 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
      • - Auto gearbox AL4 AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM SINCE RPO No. 08575 UNTIL RPO No. 08784 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
      • 6104 CV NFP - BVA4 AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YW
      • - BVA AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 UNTIL RPO No. 09569 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
      • - BVA AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09570 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 ZE - BVA AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
  • GRADUATION KMS/H AND WITHOUT CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS AND BVA
    • 6104 W4 - STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YR - STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 S2 - STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YT - STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 65 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YY - DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
    • 6104 81 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 ZA - DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
  • GRADUATION KMS/H AND WITHOUT CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS AND BVM
    • 6101 PY NFP - LPG + UNLEADED PETROL UNTIL RPO No. 08575
    • 6101 PG - DIESEL FUEL UNTIL RPO No. 08575
    • 6104 W2 - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YA - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 48 NFP - LPG + UNLEADED PETROL AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08770
    • 6104 S4 NFP - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YE - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 56 - DIESEL FUEL AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08784
    • 6104 W7 - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09005
    • 6104 YJ - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09006
    • 6104 79 - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08805
    • 6104 W8 NFP
      • - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08806 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
      • - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08806 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YL - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001

  • GRADUATION MPH AND GRADUATION 260 KM/H 150 M/H WHITE LAND CL CHROME SINCE RPO No. 09639
    • 6105 02 - BVM5 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6105 04 - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
    • 6105 06 - BVA AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6105 08 - Auto gearbox AL4 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
  • GRADUATION MPH AND WITH CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS
    • 6104 S6 NFP - BVM5 AND ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT UNVARIABLE POWER STEERING
    • 6104 YH - BVM5 SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YX - BVA AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 59 NFP - BVM AND DIESEL FUEL SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08784
    • 6104 X1 NFP - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YQ - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
    • 6104 YG - Auto gearbox AL4 AND DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
    • 6104 ZF - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR
  • GRADUATION MPH AND WITHOUT CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS AND BVA
    • 6104 W5 NFP - STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YS - STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 S5 NFP - STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 90000
    • 6104 YV - STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 66 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YZ - DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
    • 6104 82 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 ZC - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
  • GRADUATION MPH AND WITHOUT CHROME DIAL SURROUNDS AND BVM
    • 6101 PS NFP - DIESEL FUEL UNTIL RPO No. 08575
    • 6104 W3 NFP - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 YC - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 S7 NFP - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YF - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001 EXCEPT LPG + UNLEADED PETROL EXCEPT DIESEL FUEL
    • 6104 57 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08784
    • 6104 W6 NFP - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YK - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO LOWER GRADUATION AND STD OIL LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
    • 6104 80 NFP - DIESEL FUEL AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 08576 UNTIL RPO No. 08784
    • 6104 W9 NFP - BVM5 AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR AND WITHOUT ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM AND PARTICLE FILTER SINCE RPO No. 08785 UNTIL RPO No. 09000
    • 6104 YN - BVM5 AND DIESEL FUEL AND STANDARD SPEEDO UPPER GRADUATION AND OIL TEMP + LEVEL INDICATOR SINCE RPO No. 09001
Is the "RPO No." the first five digits of the build code? (And is this also the date of manufacture, expressed as days since 1976-10-08?)

What are "BVA" and "BVM"?

So, given that my build code starts 09259 then any of the bold instrument panels should fit.
The one in italic is the one fitted -- but it only has 4 clocks.
Presumably the bold and underlined one is for the 2.2 HDi and won't work?

Current: 407 2.2 HDi 170 & C6 2.7 HDi.
Former: 406 1.9 TD; 406 HDi 90; 407 2.2 160; 307cc 180; 508 HDi 140.
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I fitted a 5 dial cluster into my TD L and it worked fine :)
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Bailes1992 wrote:I fitted a 5 dial cluster into my TD L and it worked fine :)
Is this the 5 dial with oil level gauge, or with oil level and temp? Mine's a D8 LX...

And more to the point, did the new extra dial work?
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Oil level, and it seemed to. Always went to max, never really checked because it was always full of oil :lol:
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