BSI vs Engine ECU - Can't access Engine ECU on PP2000

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BSI vs Engine ECU - Can't access Engine ECU on PP2000

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I have this problem now ... i bought this " superior " version that someone is selling on ebay and comes with diagbox for 7 6.01 and 5.20 to XP .

And guess what ?

MY ENGINE ECU DOES NOT REPLY ! ( which happens with other Lexia clones ) my car : 406 hdi 110 , may 2000

With any other code reader it works just fine ... just like rlees85 was experiencing ...

but i did let the diagbox 6.01 ( which was installed on XP ) to update the interface. ( according to him this interface works with any firmware that is on it )

The guy tryed to install everything from fresh ... but this time diagbox 5.20. So when he started diagbox the interface was updated again ( so i assume this will reduce the version from what the other diagbox 6.01 updated, right ? )

Again, ecu did not reply, we searched a bit and when he went to bsi information, he said that it's missing it's manufacture and serial info and some other bit, so it's not coded to the engine ecu which leads to the ecu not replying ( this was he saying ). <- Is this really true ? because i can configure all options on bsi side ....

Then he went into he's service box login on the peugeot site, searching for something related to bsi key whatever , and then we found that my dam number doesn't match the dam that is on the door sticker ...

Anyway, is there anyone with the same problem ?

edit ; checked the firmware version on the interface and is the correct one 4.2.4 ... so no doubt i have a dodgy bsi ou a dodgy clone ...tomorrow i'll check in my friends 406 hdi same year ..

Edit 2 : i know this is already in someones other thread but i really need some help here and since it's not quite related to he's thread, thank you very much

edit 3: Ok, I could access it now once, but there is no configuration menu !!!! ( well i inserted my dam number 0090 ) does anyone confirm that the engine doesn't have any configuration ? ( omg my hopes to retrofit cruise control goes down .. ) What if i insert DAM number 9001 ?
But then again i can't access it again :S

edit 4 : Apparently i have all the wiring and stuff but the software on the bsi and ecu side doesn't have it i don't find it on bsi and ecu didnt even had a configuration menu .. if i go to peugeot they can activate it ?
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Re: BSI vs Engine ECU - Can't access Engine ECU on PP2000

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Well, today connected the interface to my friends 406 and worked first attempt ... and for my sadness he's ecu service list shows there " configuration " .

Mine doesn't show configuration on the selection list ...

What i did find different from mine is that when we select identification , in he's shows the brand and software version and psa ref and some other , in mine there is only software ver, psa ref and some other.. is this due because mine is older ? Because i checked he's bsi and he's was manufactured in june 2000 and have more options to enable in the configuration section ...mine was manufactured in july 99 .

So ... is this a case of updating the ECU software ?

OR

is that the clone doesn't like old ecus and bsis ? because this came into my mind ... in order to peugeot configure the ecu for my car they had to use something right ?
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Post by Doggy »

There are more options in later ecus - 1999 ones don't have a cruise control option, for example.

Other people, (eg wasp on this site) have got round this problem by fitting the ecu, bsi and transponder from a later car - have a search and you should find it.
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Doggy i know about that thread and in fact my friends august 2000 hdi 406 estate does have configuration option so you can enable or disable if car as ABS etc etc including cruise on ECU menu, but mine doesn't show on pp2000 that configuration menu when we enter the ECU .. which is odd, considering that my car is pre fitted with all the bits for cruise control (so even the first 406 hdi had cruise so there is something to make it work) ... maybe i'll try to update the ECU software on peugeot themselves or go there and see if they can activate it ... i have some other garage that i went, and they said that it is possible to activate the cruise on my car ( maybe this is because they work with bosch service and they have specific hardware and material to do it ) ...so that thing which involves changing all the bits may be not necessary.

My car is a " SELECTION PACK " , which means, the first owner choose what he wanted in the car .. i doubt that peugeot would have different bsi and ecus for this type of cars .. it's just like the trip computer .. the first owner didn't want it, now i had enabled it on bsi and changed stalk and it's working fine ... the same for cruise .. all the bits there but miss the activation of the feature, which pp2000 isn't leting me to configure the ecu despite showing the error codes, clearing etc...

Maybe is a clone interface bug, because when i select " history " from the ecu menu , i get "communication error activation in progress ", and on my friends it works fine ...so maybe the clone is not communicating with the configuration of my ecu ...

Thanks for reply, i'm just brainstorming here. What do you think about this possibilitys ?
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Re: BSI vs Engine ECU - Can't access Engine ECU on PP2000

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From what I read, your car doesnt have the newer ECU and BSI and your mates does. I know manufactured the same year but if the new stuff was introduced in 2000 your car might have just missed it....

Other than that, I got no idea. I'm sure its not something your doing wrong as it works on your mates and you can get your error codes... as you seen in my thread, when its done wrong you get nothing!
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yesterday i spent the whole day in a garage near me, and apparently it's my ecu version, the guy ( which is the boss there ) there tryed with an original lexia interface and bosch stuff and no configuration on ecu side, but apparently he had another ecu there from a 406 and tryed it on my car, he have the proper equipment to unlock and code the new ecu for my car no problem at all, but there was no configuration menu either ... the ecu was from the same reference ... He did had issue too with the communication with the ecu ..it didn't show some parameters which should show, it says always communication defective.

He spoke to a peugeot guy, and he told him that my car had a " standardized ecu " which don't have any configuration, i needed to get another ecu which have it.

The guy ( which is the boss there ) told me that there was no need to change the whole equipment ... This is a bit true since the bsi doens't have nothing to do with the cruise control or configuration of the ecu, because on first HDi's cruise is only enabled in ECU in the configuraton menu, on COM2000 cars you must activate it on bsi and ecu...

And that is wrong, the newer stuff was introduced in middle 2001(com2000).

Anyway, if my car had cruise pre installed is because, even that time cruise existed, so there was equipment to make it work ...so the BSI is not the issue here, or even that time there was too versions of BSI as like the ECU ... maybe i'm a bit in doubt about this one ...
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Re: BSI vs Engine ECU - Can't access Engine ECU on PP2000

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Hi guys,
I'm having the same issue with the "engine ECU no reply". I've read somewhere that it could be a fuse preventing the engine ECU from communicating with pp2000, would any of you know which fuse is that, or where is it?
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As far as I know, if the fuse is blown, there will be no communication with any of the ecu's, (and you will not hear the very slight click from the interface box when it tries to communicate with the car).
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oh ok, so that rules out the fuse then...thanks...will keep trying other approaches...
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Solved the "engine ECU no reply" thing by downgrading PP2000's version to 22.something. Its now a fact that not all pp2000 versions work with every 406.. :mrgreen:
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NineFears wrote:Solved the "engine ECU no reply" thing by downgrading PP2000's version to 22.something. Its now a fact that not all pp2000 versions work with every 406.. :mrgreen:
Interesting.

I'd like to know about the 'something' in '22.something' next time your dabbling, just in case.

TIA 8)
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Hey Doggy, sorry it took so long to reply, I just got my own scanner from china and is a fact that version 22.15 works like a charm for older D9s. I've also managed to have PP2000 running on a virtual machine, so I wouldn't have to mess with my windows 7 OS. If someone needs help with that just drop me a PM. :mrgreen:
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No worries, thanks for the info. 8)
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I have never been able to get into the siemens engine ecu untill last night..

I gave up months ago trying t read it and all i ever got was unknown ecu blaaa blaa no mater how i tried, global test. test by catagory.

I found that everything over 22.15 would just cause an error but i got an old version (09B 22.12) and BANG i am in and reading from the engine ecu no problems.

6 faults found. 1 i know of because i removed the clutch switch but the other 5 are ermm looking like a pain in the arse to sort..
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Post by rwb »

There have been four different PP2000 clones attached to my car, and one of them could not read the engine ECU (Siemens).

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