Cheers guys

I was hoping for "looks ok" really. I can't be that good, I just don't have the experience but I do a lot of trial fits which maybe wastes a bit of pipe, but often I find what I picture in my head doesn't quite make it in reality. I'm sure a professional plumber just thinks "ah yes, this, that and the other" and off he goes. And none of this wondering where to put anything, just "where do you want it?" and if it doesn't end up ok it's down to you. I doubt they'd worry about trying to save tiles or not make a mess either, just straight in there with a hammer and chisel - smash bash crash.
I should... I should... I should've run the hot up the other side of the cold, that way I wouldn't have had to take off another row of tiles and cross the pipes twice upstairs, but I didn't realise that the hot & colds upstairs would end up the other way around as they're on the opposite wall. Ah well.
Welly wrote:It's frustrating dealing with typical British Tradesmen now; they're not even half as enthusiastic about the project as you are, put obstacles in the way of actually working, sit in the van reading the paper, smoke fags, leave early and demand a lot of money.
It was like that when I started with BT (in 1985

). It all changed towards the end, after piratisation they'd cut back so many staff and there was so much idiocy from above we were all running around like headless chickens getting nowhere and weren't allowed to sort anything out properly without questions being asked about the amount of time we used (incidentally, my bro is still there, even less staff, not enough cover and the equipment is all so poorly maintained that, sooner or later, the whole lot will fall on it's arse.) (Oh, and the spares cataloguing project I was on for years was a complete waste of time as it's all been lost in numerous system crashes

)
Welly wrote:
That's why these days we employ Slovaks / Polish they're bloody ace and do a super job. They are paid the same as UK workers but the difference is night and day. Biggest difference being they don't have Greed as a priority and take pride in doing a good job.
Who are probably amazed by the amount of money they're paid and are quite happy to work hard for more of it. I'm not sure if Slovaks and Poles are the same stock as Croats but workers here are just as feckless as the ones in the UK.
Ennywai, I was in ZG all morning, picking up bank cards and looking at bogs. We also went to see a planning lady about the shed. Still more effing about to go and it's cost us about a grand so far, just to get near the stage when we can actually do something. A f*cking grand

And we didn't even buy a single sodding brick for it yet. Useless thieving wankers. The lady confessed to being embarrassed about how ludicrous the planning situation is. Yeah, but you're not "planning" to do anything about it are you
Sorry
>deep breath< I've been sanding again this evening, that thing is dangerous though: not only does it catch the urethane foam it also catches on the roof insulation. It's ok if I hit it with the rhs of the disk, that just knocks it away, the other side catches and brakes the disk, which spins the grinder anticlockwise into whatever it is and wrenches it out of your hands. Nasty. I've tried with both my orbital sanders but they're pretty ineffective, so I'm back to being careful with the grinder. Stuff getting it silky smooth though, some of it's still got bark, some of it doesn't line up and there's chunks missing here and there, so it's going to get my medium effort and then I'm going to stain it. That'll take long enough but at least I have a fair chance of still being able to count to 10 at the end of it.