1.9 or 2ltr hdi

[Stu63]

go for the HDi 110 if you can. still a brilliant car . with a lot more pull....

Even with 211k, a dodgy sounding knock/clunk when idling and a toggle switch for the rad fan

[steve_earwig]

I thought it was 2 HDis now I'd steer clear of that one anyway - what else has been bodged?

[Gary406]

go for the HDi 110 if you can. still a brilliant car . with a lot more pull....

Even with 211k, a dodgy sounding knock/clunk when idling and a toggle switch for the rad fan

go for another 110 ?? theres hundreds about ... when i change car i will be getting hdi 110 .. .

[Bailes1992]

Or best of both worlds...

2.1TD. You got HDi 110 power with XUD simpleness

[steve_earwig]

On the downside the engine is harder to work on and they stopped making them in 1998. I'd still have another one though The HDi might have the same number of horses on paper by the reality feels much different...

[Bailes1992]

On the downside the engine is harder to work on and they stopped making them in 1998. I'd still have another one though The HDi might have the same number of horses on paper by the reality feels much different...

Not harder to work on
Even easier if anything!
No silly cables to get in the way, will start with just 4 cables (Igntion live, live to starter, switched live to starter and neutral).
And if the engine goes you can pick them up for £150.

[steve_earwig]

You've not owned one have you. I presume you have a Haynes from your 1.9, open it up & have a squint at how many things you have to take the engine out to get to on a 2.1td. Inlet manifold (engine out), exhaust manifold (engine out), cylinder head (engine out) - it's a big old lump you know!

[Bailes1992]

You've not owned one have you. I presume you have a Haynes from your 1.9, open it up & have a squint at how many things you have to take the engine out to get to on a 2.1td. Inlet manifold (engine out), exhaust manifold (engine out), cylinder head (engine out) - it's a big old lump you know!

2.1TD and a 1.9TD are the same basic engine with a slightly different head.

I owned a 406 1.9TD, running 22psi of boost
Had the head off twice and replaced the cambelt myself. Such a simple engine to work on.

Also had my inlet manifold off several times! They just say to take the engine out cause they already usually have it out for pictures.
Infact you can do it with the engine in situe!

Oh and the HDi is also based on the XUD, so if you have to remove the engine in the 1.9TD you will have to do the same on the HDi!

Just cause haynes says so, dosen't mean it's the case!

[steve_earwig]

You didn't find the Haynes, did you.

[Bailes1992]

Have it infront of me.
But like a said, just cause haynes says so, dosen't make it true!
Had my head off twice and didn't even have to touch the engine mounts!

[Stu63]

No I didnt....but in a dilema of choosing between the 2 Pugs....or something diffirent

[steve_earwig]

Hold on, let's recap:
You're looking at 2 HDis now:
Contestant number one has the right miles for the age, not much service history and seems to run & drive ok. Price 900 notes.
Contestant number two has a lot of miles, a bit more history, drives ok but sounds like a bucket of nails and there's evidence of some skullbodgery. Price 650.

I'd steer clear of the high miler, the noise might be something simple, or it might be a disaster and, judging by the switch, the owner is a bit reluctant to get the old wallet out and there's always the possibility it's being punted out before it goes bang. Give the other one a good look over, look at stuff like pedal rubbers, trim, stone chips on the bonnet (smell a rat if there's none at all) - stuff that doesn't usually wear out & get replaced. Do the MOT thing, that sounds like a plan.

Have it infront of me.
But like a said, just cause haynes says so, dosen't make it true!
Had my head off twice and didn't even have to touch the engine mounts!

Whatevvarrrrrrrrrr.

[Stu63]

Hold on, let's recap:
You're looking at 2 HDis now:
Contestant number one has the right miles for the age, not much service history and seems to run & drive ok. Price 900 notes.
Contestant number two has a lot of miles, a bit more history, drives ok but sounds like a bucket of nails and there's evidence of some skullbodgery. Price 650.

I'd steer clear of the high miler, the noise might be something simple, or it might be a disaster and, judging by the switch, the owner is a bit reluctant to get the old wallet out and there's always the possibility it's being punted out before it goes bang. Give the other one a good look over, look at stuff like pedal rubbers, trim, stone chips on the bonnet (smell a rat if there's none at all) - stuff that doesn't usually wear out & get replaced. Do the MOT thing, that sounds like a plan.

It's not that #1 has "not much history"....it's not got any, he said he didnt have it

#2....I think your right, plus I forgot to mention that the seller was honest enough to say it needs a clutch, so I guess between all that's mentioned allready, plus this....it's a no go. I'll phone the dealer with #1 tomorrow and get the serial # off the last mot and do a history check and take it from there.

[steve_earwig]

It's not that #1 has "not much history"....it's not got any, he said he didnt have it

Sorry, I was thinking about this

I did a check but the mileage can only be verfied up to 02 and was 45k

Which does tie-in with the present mileage, albeit perhaps little too conveniently... I've bought a few cars with no history, it could mean all sorts of things, not necessarily bad but the downside is you don't know how old the cam belt is.

I forgot to mention that the seller was honest enough to say it needs a clutch

I'm still thinking these are 110bhp, in which case they have dual mass flywheels (a nuisance on many cars) which should be changed with the clutch, and the labour time on them is something mad like 10 hour, which would probably put this one "beyond economical repair".

Fingers cross on the other one but if you've got any doubts walk away - there are plenty more fish in the wotsit.

[mjb]

I've bought a few cars with no history, it could mean all sorts of things, not necessarily bad but the downside is you don't know how old the cam belt is.

Not "don't", it's "might not". I've seen a number of cars that have had a 6 digit number (hey, I don't look at overpriced cars ) hand-written somewhere on/near the cambelt cover

History's over-rated...