405 to 406 Conversion

[steve_earwig]

2.1 would be interesting but it's a bit too heave - the 406 uses V6 springs.

How many 405s do you want? http://www.njuskalo.hr/auti/peugeot-405

This includes 3 MI16s. Well, 2 and one with steel wheels...

[Hangar18]

Farmer-
Are 2.2HDis affordable to purchase? and would the exhaust system fit in?

Doggy-
That made me belly laugh hard at work- you nearly blew my cover! haha

Waue-
the 2.2 16v engine... is it actually any good? just seems like a well rounded 4 pot to me? I'm looking for something a little "interesting" !!

Farmer again-
It has an MI16 kit on it despite being a glx !!

Would that be the 3/4 Mi16 kit that they fitted to the last 405s or did you retrofit the whole kit yourself? My old GTX saloon had that, but was missing the rear spoiler & the wheelarch mouldings to fully look like an Mi16.

I was actually referring to the 2.2 HDi (as per Farmer's suggestion) but in all honesty, you rarely see one of those for sale at an affordable price & the logistics of actually fitting it to an older Pug like a 405 would probably be an utter nightmare.

If you're up for it, I do have a bit of an overall suggestion, but it depends on how your funds are & how unhappy with the 406 you are.

As you say, 406 Turbos are selling for naff all at the moment so to sell yours would be a waste. But there is a flip side to that - it may mean that your car isn't worth much at face value at the moment, but the turbos that are being bought for peanuts at the moment aren't going to be around for long. There's a good chance that they'll get abused & thrashed &end up scrapped within the next couple of years. This will make 406 turbos a bit of a rare breed & your Exec will be a prime example over the odd couple of poverty spec SRis that will be left. That puts the car in the realms of potential classic status, especially with the low mileage on your one. When it comes to classic cars, originality is king, so however tempting it may be, I reckon you should leave as much as possible as Peugeot made it or at least make any mods easy to remove. This potential classic status could give you an angle to insure it cheaply. Shouldn't cost much to get it in show condition, save for a bit time & elbow grease cleaning everything - & I mean everything. Wheelarches, nooks & crannies, bit of hammerite on some of the hub & chassis components etc. Check out some of the cars on detailingworld.com for ideas.

I don't know a massive amount about your 405, but provided it's all in good order, that'll be even closer to classic status than the 406. Check out Ebay & Autotrader & there's only ever a handful for sale anymore. I'm not sure what engine the code means, but I'm guessing petrol. If you're planning on doing engine swap work yourself, then there are a few affordable options available to the 405. Pretty sure that a change to diesel would be a total a*seache, but if it isn't a 2.1td 405 would be interesting. As far as petrol options go, the GTi6 engine has 167bhp & is based on the engine that was in the Mi16s. Not sure if the gearbox would go though. Could even have a go with the Saxo VTS/106 GTi 1.6 16v engine to get a bit more grunt & room to work in the engine bay. After all, there'll be plenty of those having been written off.


Any of that sound any good to you?

It sounds like the kit you're referring to yea- but I got the awesome spoiler ;) (which actually weighs more than a baby...)

I'm not going to butcher the 406 I don't think... It's it too good condition to justify it- I'm pretty set on getting the V6 into one since I know that 205s can JUST handle it and the 1.8 8v lump in the 405 looks like a nipple on a big boob- so I reckon there's gonna be room for the biscuit of a V6 lump.
The 405 is on for classic status- but I've driven it for 2 years and it's weathered. getting play in everything and the engine isn't too lively even after the new starter, alternator, clutch, gearbox and god knows what else...

I'm not old and responsible enough to value the 1.8i GLX as highly as that I'm afraid- if it was an MI16 I might think about it differently however!

[Hangar18]

A quick update:

- The interior of the 405 has been stripped completely
- In the process of bolting down the seats the moment
- Looking for a little direction currently- I'm stuck between track-day preparing it and rally-day preparing it... What resources are available to each? what are the most amateur "on the cheap" set-up costs like for both in people honest experience?

[waue1978]

No experience, but rally-day prep would at least be useable on the road, while track day usually means super-hard suspension & semi-slick tyres.

[Hangar18]

No experience, but rally-day prep would at least be useable on the road, while track day usually means super-hard suspension & semi-slick tyres.

And Hella-grippy tyres and hella-blinding spot lamps will go down a treat right ?! hahaha

[waue1978]

They won't shatter your spine everytime you go over a pothole...

[Hangar18]

I've now stripped the majority of the interior- next step is going to be bracing the car...

I can get a strut-brace to fully triangulate the front (laterally) not quite sure how to go about bracing the rear and interior?

are roll-cages expensive?

[lozz]

I've now stripped the majority of the interior- next step is going to be bracing the car...

I can get a strut-brace to fully triangulate the front (laterally) not quite sure how to go about bracing the rear and interior?

are roll-cages expensive?

Can you weld?

Make your own Roll cage,

[Hangar18]

I've now stripped the majority of the interior- next step is going to be bracing the car...

I can get a strut-brace to fully triangulate the front (laterally) not quite sure how to go about bracing the rear and interior?

are roll-cages expensive?

Can you weld?

Make your own Roll cage,

I have a friend that can weld. I'll have to pull a load of favours though... would be much easier to buy one- lets put it that way!

[lozz]

if you buy one in wont be cheap mate,
plenty on ebay but there shite mild steel,

you can buy all the bits pre-fabricated and ready to be welded, depends on what type of roll cage you want tho,

[ally406]

At the sides of the rear seats you should see the bolts comming through for the rear subframe. This could be the place to brace.

Before you go too much further, have you checked the condition of the rear chassis legs? The rear chassis legs on mine visually looked ok, but turned out to be mostly rust scale that just crumbled I would also carefully check the condition of the rear beam bearings, these will take a pounding on the track. As you probably know PSA cars with this suspension arrangement can have problems here. If you plan to adjust the ride height, be prepared for a fight with the torsion bars. It took a MAPP torch and a sledge hammer to free mine, it would probably be easier just to pop the whole axle assembly off the car for this.

[Hangar18]

if you buy one in wont be cheap mate,
plenty on ebay but there shite mild steel,

you can buy all the bits pre-fabricated and ready to be welded, depends on what type of roll cage you want tho,

Without sounding like a complete noob on purpose- my knowledge of rollcages is very basic. I think when I head to Australia in a couple of weeks I'll speak to my Dad when I'm there about this so that he can send me off in the right direction!

[Hangar18]

At the sides of the rear seats you should see the bolts comming through for the rear subframe. This could be the place to brace.

Before you go too much further, have you checked the condition of the rear chassis legs? The rear chassis legs on mine visually looked ok, but turned out to be mostly rust scale that just crumbled I would also carefully check the condition of the rear beam bearings, these will take a pounding on the track. As you probably know PSA cars with this suspension arrangement can have problems here. If you plan to adjust the ride height, be prepared for a fight with the torsion bars. It took a MAPP torch and a sledge hammer to free mine, it would probably be easier just to pop the whole axle assembly off the car for this.

I will take a look in that area- is there any particular part on the rear I should be checking for play in?
and LOL!! that's hilarious... I'm really sorry! I find stuff that's rusted/swollen into place a joy to work with! I'll save all the pent up 2011 anger for this job then ;)

The rear end on the 405 is flying uber high with the absence of regular weight in what was a soft and high riding bum anyway- but I thought ground clearance was desirable in a rally-prepped road car?

[Hangar18]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rollcage-show ... 894wt_1396

Does this sort of stuff make the cut?

[ally406]

It says "show cage" in the title mate, so most likely it's just decorative, for chavs in saxos etc. I doubt it would do you much good in an accident.