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Welly wrote:And, 1No. Coupe, in Red, with a 2.2 Petrol engine, in the Scottish regions, for 'Surveillance duty'.
I'll fight the government if they want to take my baby away from me! Besides, "Surveillance Duty"? She's not exactly subtle. I reckon either a VW Golf or a BMW 3 series are currently the best stake-out cars for the UK, especially in a metallic grey colour, because the fuckers are everywhere.

Had to laugh at my colleague - he had a 2.0 TDi Skoda Octavia in light grey (roughly the same as the Satellite Grey on the Coupe) and almost every day when he went out to his car in the work car park, he walked over to the wrong one (there were three identical ones). Then he sold it and bought a 1.6 petrol Vauxhall Astra SRi in almost exactly the same colour, and the same thing happened again...
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The greek PM resigns now berlusconi, i was a bit surprised the economy would cause him to stand down after so many other scandals.
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Yeah it sounds fishy to me, I mean the guy can go to court about sexual harassment claims and everyone says "well he's a bit of a cheeky chap, but means no harm"

But you play around with the men from Brussels and you wake up with a horses head next to you.
Sounds like the Mafia is no match for the "EU" / "UN" /"NATO" / " IMF" or we could just label it "New World Order"

I love the fact that Germany and France are whispering to each other "hey if this all goes tits up we can still claim to be Europe, just the two of us"

Or was that bill withers?
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Germany's economy is heavily dependent on exports. Therefore Germany needs these dodgy economies in the Euro in order to keep the price of the Euro down so that their exports are cheap. Now, Germany has a surplus and can borrow very cheaply, so Merkel has a very simple equation to balance: how much does it cost to keep the price of the Euro down (by funding bailouts) versus how much trade (and, in turn, tax revenue) is lost by the price of the Euro going up.

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*walks up and down with a sandwich board with "the end is nigh"*
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Remember to dress in an unpalatable colour in case the sh*t really does hit the fan and someone tries to eat you...
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[*]Oh how i remember the days when all european countries had their own currency's ,
things then were so much simpler , Spain was cheap to go on holiday to , their goods were
cheap so exports were high the economy boomed , Greece was cheap to go on holiday to ,
booze and food was cheap which meant a massive influx of tourists which helped to make for a
healthy economy , Italy Portugal and Ireland too were all sailing along on healthy economy's
helped in no small way by thriving tourism and cheap exports.
Then along came the big bad greedy politicians and even greedier waanker bankers who were getting
bored with things going along just fine . So the clever people ( if you like substitute smug faced rich bastards
who are not fit to lick your ass even during the worstcase of diohrea ) and decided to play a game !! Lets
create one currency throughout europe and fook everything up . We can then join the waanker bankers and
gamble on the money markets , our rich business friends will make a killing changeing all the cash machines
and tills etc over to the euro , and as we are directors of these companies we will become even richer , so
the game began . Within a short while things went tits up !! the poorer countries started to suffer as their
prices started to be brought into line with the richer one's , export goods were no longer cheap , tourism
became so expensive people started to travel further afield and their borrowing increased . Meanwhile the
waanker bankers who had been playing poker on the money markets started to loose and found themselves
deep in shite . Not to worry said the robbing thieving politicians (who were also on the board of banks ) we
will use public money to bail you out , so began the biggest con in history . They decided not only would
they insist the banks pay the loans back they decided to roger joe public up the ass until they shiit out
their very last penny by cutting public spending raising taxes taking away public services . Dont worry
they said joe public might moan but they will put up with it. Meanwhile the poorer countries who had
borrowed money found that they couldn't afford the interest payments , no surprise there then , so went
along cap in hand for bailouts from guess who ?? yes ultimately joe public.
I suppose dragging these twats out of bed and shooting them and their uncaring brood in the head would
cause offence !! Ah well VIVE the REVOLOUTION which will sadly never happen .

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I concur with the right honourable minister. The situation has always been set against Mr Joe public. But, times are changing and Mr public has well and truly had enough now.
I call the motion for civil disobedience.
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...and suddenly we're living in a police state :roll:

I still love the way politicians talk about the (what's the latest euphemism? Ah yes) Eurozone crisis (makes it sound like they've misplaced their passport at the border crossing) like it came from another planet and was nothing to do with them :evil:
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Totally agree with the two right honourable gentleman !!

And having started the ball rolling so that it is now causing worldwide monetary problems ,
their answer is , lets blame the Italian bloke while we bury our heads in the sand and
hope it will go away .
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Its always interesting to see whose names are on which companies board of directors. BP and Shell have been doing very well for themselves. BPs oil spill in the gulf will have a lasting effect for years to come and may finally have put the last nail in the coffin of the Atlantic conveyor which circulates warm water around northwards cools and goes around again, if you remember the film "the day after tomorrow" which is based on this natural phenomenon stopping. Well that's what's happened now by all accounts.

So although it will not quite be like the Hollywood movie we are going to get much colder winters and more superstorms.
3.5BN 3rd quarter profits make that worthwhile to greedy corporations.
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TRAVIS BICKLE wrote:...BPs oil spill in the gulf will have a lasting effect for years to come and may finally have put the last nail in the coffin of the Atlantic conveyor which circulates warm water around northwards cools and goes around again...
Really?
I'm not sure I believe this.
Do you have any references?

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No direct source as yet but I'll try and find something. They have covered it up there are some theories out there that it was done deliberately.
I will search for the info.
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Have a look at this article here http://www.rense.com/MexicoAlreadyDead.html
makes an interesting read.
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Thousands in Britain could be homeless by Christmas
Report on Yahoo.co.uk

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Tho...607981690.html

Every two minutes between now and Christmas Day, someone in Britain will face the prospect of losing their home. That's the finding of new research from the housing charity Shelter, highlighting the struggles the property market still faces.

According to the charity's research, around 35,000 people face a battle to keep a roof over their head in time for Santa's arrival.

The charity has launched a campaign to highlight the plight of the hundreds of people each day who will receive a letter threatening them with homelessness, and the impact such an experience can have on their mental health.

Shelter's research found that 61% of people who have either been homeless or faced the threat of homelessness said it had led directly to a stress related illness.

Repossession, repossession, repossession

Every quarter, the Council of Mortgage Lenders publishes figures on the number of repossessions that have taken place, and of late the message has been pretty positive, with the figures regularly being lower than expected.

As a result, people like me can get a little bit complacent about it. After all, the number of properties repossessed in the first half of this year was down 7% on the same period last year. Good news right?

Well yes, but that was still 18,100 properties that lenders took back from borrowers.

And that's just the number of repossessions that actually took place, what about the borrowers who are simply being warned that if things don't improve, they may lose their homes? There are currently 164,500 mortgages where the borrower is in arrears of more than 2.5% of the mortgage balance. Sure, that figure has fallen, but it's still an awful lot of people who are seriously behind on their mortgage payments.

Undoubtedly, some of these people will have no-one but themselves to blame. Perhaps they told a few porky pies in order to get a larger mortgage than they should have, and now the chickens have come home to roost. But equally, plenty of them will simply be victims of circumstance, caught out by an economic crash that was not their fault.

Kicking out tenants

The situation is hardly any better in the rental market.

Social landlords are already reporting a rise in rent arrears following the government's move to reduce housing benefit earlier this year. Meanwhile, research by the Financial Inclusion Centre earlier this year concluded that as many as three million renters are in a vulnerable position, either behind on their rent or struggling to pay it each month.

What's more, with rents continuing their astronomic rise — barely a month goes by without one firm active in the rental market proclaiming a new record high — this is only likely to get worse.

We've never had it so tough

Last year, an adviser to the government, Lord Young, was forced to resign after an interview in which he suggested that as a nation, we had never had it so good (he's back, with his own office in Number 10 now, by the way). A year on, that statement looks even dafter.

Inflation currently stands at a mammoth 5.2%, miles higher than the Bank of England's target of 2%. And our salaries aren't moving upwards at anything like that rate, if at all. Add to that the fact that job security continues to weaken, with unemployment now at a 17-year high, and it becomes clear that pennies have rarely been so tightly stretched. We can't even rely on a return on our cash if we've managed to save in the past, with rates on savings accounts utterly underwhelming.

In fact, for some, it's only the fact that interest rates are so low therefore keeping variable mortgage rates low too, that is keeping things from completely collapsing.

What to do

So, if you're in a position where the bills are mounting up, and there's little sign of things improving, what do you do?

Tackling your money issues early is always the best plan of action. And as BT used to say, it's good to talk.

There are all sorts of charities and organisations which offer debt advice without charging. For example, there's the Consumer Credit Counselling Service (CCCS). It's not just the CCCS though, there's also Citizens Advice, the National Debtline, and a host of others.

It's also well worth having a chat with the firms you owe money. It may be that you can come to some sort of arrangement where you have longer to pay off the money you owe.

However, the absolute worst thing you can do is ignore your mounting debts, hoping that something will change and everything will be fine again. This 'head in the sand' attitude can end up making things a whole lot worse, and is utterly counterproductive.
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So there you have it, instil fear in many just before xmas!
What I did like was a reply by Lawful to Mr H who had paid off his mortgage:


Mr H, you said it right, you get what you work for - "lucky me", you are lucky. You managed to pay off the debt and the interest. You now own your home. Well done. However as all money is created from debt, and only the principle is ever created, then you getting the extra money to pay the interest as well, means mathematically someone else WILL DEFAULT, no matter how much work, education or get up and go they have. You will deny this, becuase to accept it would give you some of the responsibility to change the system. Also you wouldn't be stupid enough to lose your house over it. Far better to plead ignorance about it and blame others for not working, when we know very well that the majority, like you, have worked all the lives and worked @#$% hard.

All new "money" in the banking system is created as debt (ever wonder why every country has a HUGE national debt, and who they owe it to???) when we get loans, mortgages etc, we owe that money to the banks even though it is us that creates the money with our signature. This IS the new money in the monetary system!!! Quantitive Easing is creating more money, not printing notes and minting coins, it is literally just putting more 0's on the national debt computer screen that the gove owes to the Bank of England. Then we pay our taxes and fines so the Gov can pay back the Bank of England. They charge us interest which is never created at any point. So the system is mathematically obliged to fail and eventually the value of the currency will return to it's true intrinsic value which is...0!! If everyone paid off their loan then obviously the game would end, which the bankers (Central not High St)can't allow. What we need to do and what occupy wall st and the ilk is really about (they'll never put this on the news) is educating people about our banking sytem.
If we got everyone to work and I mean EVERYONE, working as hard as they could, willingly with no dossers, the system would still create people that would run out of money. When money is created it is only the "principle" that is created. Not the interest. So if you pay off the interest on your loan/mortgage, someone somewhere in the system HAS to fail. This is how our money system is always expanding, to create more money to pay off the interest on previous loans. THIS is why the U:S owes 14 trillion, this is why they borrowed more to pay the last installment, this is why Greece is getting a 2nd bailout, this is what QE is all about. THIS is why we have inflation. If you have more of something it is worth less. If you have more money, it is worth less. So against all products or resources, your money buys less. Inflation is not prices going up, it is the value of your money going DOWN!! What can you buy with a pound now? what could you buy with a pound in 1960? What about in 1930?? A good introduction to all this is "Money as debt" on google videos. We need to understand this, or it gets so bad that eventually we all will be on the streets or worse, they'll bring the work houses back. This isn't a joke, we are seeing the banking system crumble worldwide like a house of cards because it is infact a few hundred year old PONZI scheme.


Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England 1928-41, (reputed to be the 2nd richest man in England) once said:
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing.The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take this away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough money to buy it back again ...Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue to be slaves to the banks and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit."
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