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scotty73 wrote:This 1.6hdi frod engine in the 407 is it the one that would be in an 09 berlingo?
Yep, all the later Partner/Berlingo 1.6 HDis seem to be Ford. The PSA 1.6 HDi seems to be the engine that the dipstick breaks on, the Ford one, the DV6, seems to be the engine that the turbo self-destructs on. I know which fault I'd prefer...

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Why does everyone call them Ford engines?
The basic lump was being fitted to Peugeots long before it was fitted to fords!

Ford then took the engine and made its own derivative for its own cars.
There is a separate oil filter for the turbo in the Ford version of the DV6 which gets neglected. This filter gets blocked and causes the turbo to fail. The garage replaced the turbo and 2 years later it fails again.
If you replace the filter when you're supposed to you won't have any issues!
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Aka Ford DLD, developed jointly with PSA.

I think they all have a separate oil filter of sorts, although I'm not finding it on any of the part's diagrams :roll: (maybe that's one reason they get neglected).

I guess the problem is that most of us older types have experience of Fords of old which had lousy build quality, rusted like buggery and were actually designed to drop to bits at the magic 100,000 miles. My last Ford was a 2.0 Granny Scorpio, it was only a couple of years old and still had its original tyres on it. My memories of that car are: Needing 2 uj's to get to the plugs, hitting a bump in the road and the centre console falling off, and all the time we wasted tweaking the tracking to try and get it to drive in a straight line (which we gave up when I followed another one around the M25 and realised it was wandering about all over the place too.) After that I had a Citroen BX 16 Valve, which, while being older, was better put together, infinitely faster, easier to work on, drove in a straight line and nothing fell off even when I had it airborne. Some cars I've owned I miss but the Scrappyo was never one of them.

Maybe they're different now (I'd bleedin' well hope so) but, like the yoyo, it'd be a cold day in hell before I'd buy another one, and any parts that come in a bag with Ford or FoMoCo written on them would fill me with a deep and lasting mistrust.
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scotty73 wrote:
Doggy wrote:Synchronise MFD's?
:lol: :lol:

This 1.6hdi frod engine in the 407 is it the one that would be in an 09 berlingo?

It's more or less the same engine, there are various bits that are different, but it's mostly the same.

I serviced a 12 reg Berlingo yesterday with 67,000 miles on it, I service this every 3 months or so....how about that for a year's driving?

The fuel filter in this van is dealer only supply and £37 plus vat for the paper element.

The gauze filter that Bailes is talking about is in the banjo fitting to the turbo, if you take off the banjo bolt you must replace the bolt and the washers.

This van has had zero problems since new.

The reason the 407 1.6 engine gives trouble is down to neglect by the owners in my opinion.

My 407 (apart from the DMF failure at 44,000 miles) has been a great car, my wife loves it to bits.

The only problems we have had have been normal stuff....2 drop links, 2 ball joints, MFD display failure, all regular Peugeot stuff, including the 406.

We had a 406 from 20,000 to 100,000 miles without any serious problems just a heater resistor failure, we loved that car.

I now have the 2.0 petrol HPi Estate that Dai owned and loved, I have now almost got it in A1 condition and I now love this car, it drives like a gem and the fuel consumption is better than my Expert 110 HDi van :shock:
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Bailes1992 wrote:Why does everyone call them Ford engines?
The basic lump was being fitted to Peugeots long before it was fitted to fords!

Ford then took the engine and made its own derivative for its own cars.
There is a separate oil filter for the turbo in the Ford version of the DV6 which gets neglected. This filter gets blocked and causes the turbo to fail. The garage replaced the turbo and 2 years later it fails again.
If you replace the filter when you're supposed to you won't have any issues!

I've had loads of injector seal failures on the Ford version, plus failures of the leak off pipe seals (you have to buy a whole new rail, you can't buy the seals :shock: )

There is a very flimsy fitting on the main fuel pipe at the back of the engine which connects the leak off pipes....it can break off just by removing the air filter box....I know because I did break one ...£96 from Ford :shock: :shock:
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I was trying to pin down the filter / gauze in the turbo lubrication, (friend has a 307 1.6 HDi), ServiceBox seems spectacularly misleading on this occasion:

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Could it be thre first vacuum lubricated turbo? :?
Thought I'd try the 'Oil return hose' instead:

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The link in red doesn't work either, BTW. :?
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They sound like a load of fun :roll: My neighbours just bought one and tbh the car looks huge so i was expecting her to say it was the 2.0hdi.
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Must have it by now....................eagerly awaiting your thoughts CJ


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Fixed grin and howls of laughter can interfere with your communication skills......
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trem1 wrote:Must have it by now....................eagerly awaiting your thoughts CJ
It has been spotted on facebook... Nice colour!
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ahh i havnt got him on FB :(


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Come on! What's the verdict? :cheesy:

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Sorry, everyone. It was a frustrating morning and a very busy day. Morning starting with me forgetting to get reference number for the pre-booked train ticket for my Bristol to Birmingham leg of the journey, which meant I had to fork out £50 for a standard single ticket, in addition to the £19 I already pre-paid. 10 minutes after I set off, I realised that I had the email saved on my phone and could have simply shown them the PDF of the ticket :roll:

The seller picked me up from the station in my car - washed and hoovered, lovely. Got the documents and photocopies of the V5 (the originals went to DVLA for number plate transfer) and went on my way. The drive back was littered with accidents and the sat-nav in the car successfully suggested diversions around them. Nice. This gave me a chance to try the car out on all types of roads - from motorway down to a single track lane!

The first thing I noticed is how smoothly the car accelerates. There is no turbo lag at all - it's just a continuous pull throughout the rev range. I am not sure I like it as I was so used to no acceleration up to about 1800 rpm and then whooosh. It's very deceptive though - gains speed very quickly indeed without any drama at all. The car feels tight and much better built than the 406. No knocks or any unknown noises so far, though I think the battery needs replacing soon as from cold it's barely turning over (though still starts within two turns).

The other thing I noticed is an odd smell in the cabin (other than my own) - smelt a bit like burning wood and there doesn't seem to be a pattern to it. It happened four times on my 3.5 hour journey back at random times and at random speeds. I do have this smell very occasionally in my 406 but again, there's no pattern to it. It's not exhaust fumes but something else... could it be DPF regeneration thing? Still need to plug it into PP2000 and see what's what.

The bad bit are: the sound from the radio is absolutely crap - I've heard better sound from an ALBA range of "hi-fis". I still have no idea whether it's RT3 or RT4 unit there but the car doesn't have a JBL. So, already found a JBL amp, wiring, sub-woofer, which will sit near the CD changer in the boot behind the lining (so no space lost) and the speakers and tweeters. Pretty familiar with the JBL unit on the 406 and the wiring seems to be pretty much identical to the 407 one, so won't be an issue putting that in.

The sat-nav - it doesn't talk to me! Whenever a junction is coming up, I simply get a notification on the speedo display where to turn - a bit like on the 406 sat-nav, I guess. Maybe there's an option to turn it on but I had a quick look in the menus and couldn't find it. Also, it won't take post codes, so I have to type in street names etc. instead. I can easily obtain a "backup copy" of the latest sat-nav software and maps so will be doing that at some point. The hard drives are prone to failure, so will look into replacing that with a CF or SD card instead. Should speed up loading times. Also, the whole thing rebooted itself once while I was driving.

Heater flaps are prone to breaking and, officially, it's a dash out job to replace them. People on the Pug forums are, instead, cutting into the heater box from the side to remove the broken flaps. There are other bodge-like methods of repairing these things so I need to see if mine are getting weak.

Really, I haven't had to chance to look at everything there as it was a big rush to get home, then to my parents, followed by a walk to watch the Guy Fawkes Carnival in Glastonbury. Lots of booze later means a tired Captain.

Will report back once I give it a good look-over etc... In the meantime, here's the picture I posted on Facebook.

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And here's me with my bunny ears at the carnival.

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nice car mate 8)
itake it shes called peggy :D

love the colour too good choice
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Hah... no. Will have have its original 57 number plate on in a few weeks time.
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