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So my Mum managed to mash a track rod in a pothole causing steering vibrations and a knocking on bumps. So I thought I better change it.
Easy enough job?
So I jacked the car up...
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Got out my nice new £75 track rod removal tool imported freshly from America...
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Removed the outer track rod, locknut and the boot...
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Went to undo it...
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And if you have a look closley you will notice there is nothing on the end of it to remove it :angry:
The new one looks like this...
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You can see the hexed end to put a spanner or the tie rod removal tool on.
The standard one had nothing!

Got a stilsons on it, nothing.

Give my Mum's mates husband a ring who used to be high up in a dealer/rapid fit type of thing.
He said Post 2002 cars need to have the whole steering rack replaced
Menas I goto break the ball joints, remove the driveshafts, remove the droplinks, DROP THE FRIGGING SUBFRAME, replace the steering rack then fit it all back together
****. :x
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Bugger :(
Hope it doesn't cause you too much hassle Sam :|
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teamster1975 wrote:Bugger :(
Hope it doesn't cause you too much hassle Sam :|
Thanks for the concern :lol:
We'll hopefully not, going to be a day or two to dismatle everything, clean everything up and stick it all back together.
I can't belive a wear and tear part like a track rod can't be replaced. Ford are a bunch of idiots.
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Bailes1992 wrote:
teamster1975 wrote:Bugger :(
Hope it doesn't cause you too much hassle Sam :|
Thanks for the concern :lol:
We'll hopefully not, going to be a day or two to dismatle everything, clean everything up and stick it all back together.
I can't belive a wear and tear part like a track rod can't be replaced. Ford are a bunch of idiots.
ive not heard that before and i used to work in days ford in swansea.
dont know if u need aligment pins to re fit the subframe???
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just read this on the net:
it looks like they carnt be changed but this chap got his off, :|



•take off tire


•buy or rent a tie rod puller tool and ball joint separator tool.

NOTE: Pickle fork versus a Pitman Arm Puller - pickle forks will likely destroy the grease boot on the outer tie rod! Pitman arm pullers are an excellent alternative and will not break the rubber


•Remove the outer tie rod fastening nut and separate from the steering knuckle


•use two wrenches 1 to hold the tie rod end nut the other to unscrew the tie rod end (outer tie rod).

Count the number of threads when unscrewing the end from the inner. When reassembling, you'll want the tie rod end screwed onto the new inner exactly the same number of threads to *mostly* preserve the alignment.


•there is a rubber boot on the controller arm end of the inner tie rod held on with a special type of metal clamp. Remove it and the boot.

TIP: these boot clamps are a real bear to get at and usually end up being cut. I have used a simple nylon zip-tie as a replacement for the clamp - a whole lot easier to put on.


•Remove inner tie rod - use the tool you rented, or possibly just a wrench on the connecting nut will work

NOTE: I found on a 2002 Focus the connecting 'nut' on the inside end of the tie rod had NO FLAT SIDES!! No wrench or inner tie rod tool was going to work. I tried all sorts of pipe wrenches to no success. Ended up using a pair of channel lock pliers to grab onto the darned thing and got it loose.


•Install new inner tie rod and boot


•Screw the outer tie rod onto the new inner rod, the same number of turns as on the old one.

If you are off by several turns you may not notice much (pulling to one side) but it will effect your tires, so it is recommended to get a front wheel alignment after a tie rod replacement.


•Reattach tie rod end to steering knuckle - nut and cotter pin (torque is somewhere in the 30 ft lb range).



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_re ... z1BE3Z9F6e
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jamjar1383 wrote:
Bailes1992 wrote:
teamster1975 wrote:Bugger :(
Hope it doesn't cause you too much hassle Sam :|
Thanks for the concern :lol:
We'll hopefully not, going to be a day or two to dismatle everything, clean everything up and stick it all back together.
I can't belive a wear and tear part like a track rod can't be replaced. Ford are a bunch of idiots.
ive not heard that before and i used to work in days ford in swansea.
dont know if u need aligment pins to re fit the subframe???
Nahh the old one unbolts and you bolt the new one back on.
Apparently it's the same thing with the Mk4/Mk5 fiesta too :(
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lozz wrote:just read this on the net:
it looks like they carnt be changed but this chap got his off, :|



•take off tire


•buy or rent a tie rod puller tool and ball joint separator tool.

NOTE: Pickle fork versus a Pitman Arm Puller - pickle forks will likely destroy the grease boot on the outer tie rod! Pitman arm pullers are an excellent alternative and will not break the rubber


•Remove the outer tie rod fastening nut and separate from the steering knuckle


•use two wrenches 1 to hold the tie rod end nut the other to unscrew the tie rod end (outer tie rod).

Count the number of threads when unscrewing the end from the inner. When reassembling, you'll want the tie rod end screwed onto the new inner exactly the same number of threads to *mostly* preserve the alignment.


•there is a rubber boot on the controller arm end of the inner tie rod held on with a special type of metal clamp. Remove it and the boot.

TIP: these boot clamps are a real bear to get at and usually end up being cut. I have used a simple nylon zip-tie as a replacement for the clamp - a whole lot easier to put on.


•Remove inner tie rod - use the tool you rented, or possibly just a wrench on the connecting nut will work

NOTE: I found on a 2002 Focus the connecting 'nut' on the inside end of the tie rod had NO FLAT SIDES!! No wrench or inner tie rod tool was going to work. I tried all sorts of pipe wrenches to no success. Ended up using a pair of channel lock pliers to grab onto the darned thing and got it loose.


•Install new inner tie rod and boot


•Screw the outer tie rod onto the new inner rod, the same number of turns as on the old one.

If you are off by several turns you may not notice much (pulling to one side) but it will effect your tires, so it is recommended to get a front wheel alignment after a tie rod replacement.


•Reattach tie rod end to steering knuckle - nut and cotter pin (torque is somewhere in the 30 ft lb range).



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_re ... z1BE3Z9F6e
Tried it :( Couldn't get enough grip on it with anything except a stilsons and there aint enough room to unscrew it :|
Either way I goto drop the subframe to get it off.
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sam scrap it and buy your next 406 :mrgreen:
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Bailes1992 wrote:
lozz wrote:just read this on the net:
it looks like they carnt be changed but this chap got his off, :|



•take off tire


•buy or rent a tie rod puller tool and ball joint separator tool.

NOTE: Pickle fork versus a Pitman Arm Puller - pickle forks will likely destroy the grease boot on the outer tie rod! Pitman arm pullers are an excellent alternative and will not break the rubber


•Remove the outer tie rod fastening nut and separate from the steering knuckle


•use two wrenches 1 to hold the tie rod end nut the other to unscrew the tie rod end (outer tie rod).

Count the number of threads when unscrewing the end from the inner. When reassembling, you'll want the tie rod end screwed onto the new inner exactly the same number of threads to *mostly* preserve the alignment.


•there is a rubber boot on the controller arm end of the inner tie rod held on with a special type of metal clamp. Remove it and the boot.

TIP: these boot clamps are a real bear to get at and usually end up being cut. I have used a simple nylon zip-tie as a replacement for the clamp - a whole lot easier to put on.


•Remove inner tie rod - use the tool you rented, or possibly just a wrench on the connecting nut will work

NOTE: I found on a 2002 Focus the connecting 'nut' on the inside end of the tie rod had NO FLAT SIDES!! No wrench or inner tie rod tool was going to work. I tried all sorts of pipe wrenches to no success. Ended up using a pair of channel lock pliers to grab onto the darned thing and got it loose.


•Install new inner tie rod and boot


•Screw the outer tie rod onto the new inner rod, the same number of turns as on the old one.

If you are off by several turns you may not notice much (pulling to one side) but it will effect your tires, so it is recommended to get a front wheel alignment after a tie rod replacement.


•Reattach tie rod end to steering knuckle - nut and cotter pin (torque is somewhere in the 30 ft lb range).



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_re ... z1BE3Z9F6e
Tried it :( Couldn't get enough grip on it with anything except a stilsons and there aint enough room to unscrew it :|
Either way I goto drop the subframe to get it off.
which way did you try loosning it ?
the o/s is a right hand thread iirc,

ive done them on Mondeos and ended up having to warm them up a little, with a little blow torch .
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lozz wrote:
Bailes1992 wrote:
lozz wrote:just read this on the net:
it looks like they carnt be changed but this chap got his off, :|



•take off tire


•buy or rent a tie rod puller tool and ball joint separator tool.

NOTE: Pickle fork versus a Pitman Arm Puller - pickle forks will likely destroy the grease boot on the outer tie rod! Pitman arm pullers are an excellent alternative and will not break the rubber


•Remove the outer tie rod fastening nut and separate from the steering knuckle


•use two wrenches 1 to hold the tie rod end nut the other to unscrew the tie rod end (outer tie rod).

Count the number of threads when unscrewing the end from the inner. When reassembling, you'll want the tie rod end screwed onto the new inner exactly the same number of threads to *mostly* preserve the alignment.


•there is a rubber boot on the controller arm end of the inner tie rod held on with a special type of metal clamp. Remove it and the boot.

TIP: these boot clamps are a real bear to get at and usually end up being cut. I have used a simple nylon zip-tie as a replacement for the clamp - a whole lot easier to put on.


•Remove inner tie rod - use the tool you rented, or possibly just a wrench on the connecting nut will work

NOTE: I found on a 2002 Focus the connecting 'nut' on the inside end of the tie rod had NO FLAT SIDES!! No wrench or inner tie rod tool was going to work. I tried all sorts of pipe wrenches to no success. Ended up using a pair of channel lock pliers to grab onto the darned thing and got it loose.


•Install new inner tie rod and boot


•Screw the outer tie rod onto the new inner rod, the same number of turns as on the old one.

If you are off by several turns you may not notice much (pulling to one side) but it will effect your tires, so it is recommended to get a front wheel alignment after a tie rod replacement.


•Reattach tie rod end to steering knuckle - nut and cotter pin (torque is somewhere in the 30 ft lb range).



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_re ... z1BE3Z9F6e
Tried it :( Couldn't get enough grip on it with anything except a stilsons and there aint enough room to unscrew it :|
Either way I goto drop the subframe to get it off.
which way did you try loosning it ?
the o/s is a right hand thread iirc,

ive done them on Mondeos and ended up having to warm them up a little, with a little blow torch .
Both ways, but there just isn't room to leaver anything around there :(
I even tried getting a crows foot and smacking it onto the ball joint but it didn't work :(
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see if you can get a copy of Fraud T.i.s and look on the Diagrams on there and see if they do Seperate, :idea:
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they can be changed on the mk4/5 fiesta ive changed them. i normally use a stilson or vice grips and a short scaffle bar.
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"Horsepower" is how fast you hit the fence.
"Torque" is how far you take the fence with you.
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Poor some Boiling hot water over it leave it 5 mins and have another go :|
it might have Loc-tite on the thread making it hard too get off,

icarnt seeing it being a complete rack when Motorists shops and ebay etc are selling the parts they must be a Replaceable part :?
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lozz wrote:Poor some Boiling hot water over it leave it 5 mins and have another go :|
it might have Loc-tite on the thread making it hard too get off,

icarnt seeing it being a complete rack when Motorists shops and ebay etc are selling the parts they must be a Replaceable part :?
Apparently it's just Post 2002 cars :( I.e. when they facelifted them.
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have alook on the pic on this ebay add,

Rounded and no grip point on them, :|

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-INNER-TIE-ROD-E ... 3356b8fc96
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