Manufacturers Warranty, is it worth it?

[DiscoPol]

So as you all probably know by now i have an almost new C5 2.2 Bi-turbo jobbie, its lovely and as standard puts out 173bhp with 370ish nm of torque, but....................... well i have been looking at some remapping sites over here in Poland and its a damn site cheaper than the same service back in the UK.


Basically I want 210bhp and 430nm or maybe even the full fat 240bhp that some places claim you can squeeze out of the bi-turbo set up, of course its only to lower my overall fuel consumption, not because it would be bonkers to have 430+ nm on the torque side , the bhp increase would be nice but its just numbers its the torque that counts, thats the bugger that helps you accelerate like a train.

heres the crux of the issue though, im fairly sure if Citroen found out on a regular service or god forbid it had to go in for something more substantial then im pretty sure it will invalidate my warranty but is the warranty really worth preserving? i have another 12 months or so to go on the manufacturers warranty, the car is leased but its basically a H.P deal with a fancy name and i will be keeping it at the end of the contract, the only reason its leased is its better for me company accounts this way.

as for prices we are talking about sub 1800 zloty ( less than £400) with a pre and post rolling road session plus its a tailor made map not a stock one.

or do i wait the twelve months then de-fap and remap at the same time? decisions decisions

I await your thoughts with baited breath (or is it bated breath)

ta for looking

Disco

[puggy]

Fook the warranty go for the re-map and have some balls out fun

if anything does go wrong take it back if they dont spot it result !!! if they do they will
just refuse to do the work and i can't really see anything happening in the next 12 months

[omega]

cant you remove it if something does go wrong?

[Doggy]

Dear Mr Disco,

Further to your application to join the '400 club', further supporting evidence is required.

To sacrifice accuracy somewhat recklesssly for the sake of brevity, I suggest the following sitaution obtains:

We would need to be reassured that you have more self control than that evidenced in your recent correspondence on the 406oc.co.uk website.
Testimony from several persons of unquestionable good character, wholeheartedly supporting your application, is an absolute requirement.
Furthermore, a solelm undertaking to uphold the standards of the club and to the promote responsible use of masses of torque is essential.

A fee is required.

Was it just plain, Mr?, not even an 'honourable'?

We'll let you know......



On a separate matter, do you know which ecu your buy-sexual engine uses, as some of the later offerings are 'protected'. & won't talk to Gallettos and the like?

[DiscoPol]

Dear Mr Doggy,

May I refer you to my previous membership of the "400" club, at that time all qualifications were met with the aid of a 4.4L V8 BMW lump, not only did I meet the lofty requirements of the club but I surpassed them in many ways, not only, in having an additional 40Nm over and above the entry requirements in stock form but by also, with the assistance of a nice man in Stockport by the name of Mr Superchips, pushing this surplus to over and above the required figures by an extra 130Nm.

I believe this proves my ability to control and tame such hi torque vehicles and would therefore request with polite but firm insistence that you process my application forthwith and stop blathering on about smut and lack of control on the bloody forum, now chop chop Mr Doggy, I have a wallet with scorch marks starting around the credit card.

Yours Sincerely

Mr Disco


Edit: yes mine is a protected ECU but i have been assured by the remap people that it is not an issue, sadly it just costs a little more (additional 200 zloty) to be bypassed.

[Welly]

I'd have thought you'd struggle to put the power down* effectively in a FWD? one of my neigh-bores has a bisexual BMW and says it gets a tad fruity back there when pressing on.

The Bi-turbo set up may well be sensitive to the additional heat generated but you could exercise good practice by letting the turbo's 'run down' before you come to park up (tricky if you're flying about all over town). You can double the oil changes to help things too.

I understood the dealers don't pick up on remaps unless they are delving about in the ECU's brain - and why would they do that? well I suppose they might if the car was subject to a recall for something related, mind you that engine has been around for a good couple of years now so should be ironed-out? the dealer then will probably only run basic services and stamp the book for the first 4 years.

*To cast doubt, or make an attempt at de-valuing others fuel choice. Make negative comments in attempt to mask or otherwise ignore the fact that diesel motors produce superior power and economy. To come to a realisation that 'they' were right and that petrol-power has been surpassed quashing all existing impressions of diesel's being 'noisy', 'smelly' etc.

[OdinEidolon]

I'd honeslty wait 12 months and then defap+remap.
As said I'd fear for the heat generated by the two turbos. You could/should take the habit of not going over 1500rpm (yes I know one of your turbos is already running fast at that range) for the last 2-3 minutes of your cruise, and leave the engine at idle for 30 seconds before turning it down. This will allow the turbos to cool down properly.
Also I bet such increase in pressure in the system would for sure lead in long terms problems with valves/cracks in the tubes, but as long as you can keep up with it it's fine. Maybe lubricating (WD40?) the pressure pipes now and then (every major service?) may avoid them from cracking.

I seem to understand you are after an increase in torque mainly. Since your turbo setup is delta integrale like (one pushing for low revs and one for high revs) The first remap option is probably working mainly on the first turbo, and that's what you want.
The second remap is probably pushing the second turbo to its limits too, giving you hp but not much torque with high revs. (given the mathematical relation between power and torque)

In my opinion you should stick with the 210bhp remap only, but since 12 months warranty are a lot to my eyes you should wait. BTW I do not think the dealers would find out the remap with a service.

[plod]

All this run down business, surely a turbo timer would be a better option

[ToddM]

Get your sensible hat off and remap that bastard. I'm fairly sure there's nothing a garage out of the official network wouldn't fix on the side, given a little cash in that part of the world Besides who says anything will go wrong anyway?

[Doggy]

Dear Mr Doggy,

May I refer you to my previous membership of the "400" club, at that time all qualifications were met with the aid of a 4.4L V8 BMW lump, not only did I meet the lofty requirements of the club but I surpassed them in many ways, not only, in having an additional 40Nm over and above the entry requirements in stock form but by also, with the assistance of a nice man in Stockport by the name of Mr Superchips, pushing this surplus to over and above the required figures by an extra 130Nm.

I believe this proves my ability to control and tame such hi torque vehicles and would therefore request with polite but firm insistence that you process my application forthwith and stop blathering on about smut and lack of control on the bloody forum, now chop chop Mr Doggy, I have a wallet with scorch marks starting around the credit card.

Yours Sincerely

Mr Disco

Dear Mr Disco,

Our techincal director, Dr Ubersteur, has made the following observation:

'Der alt panzerwagen, (mit der grosser capacity 4,4l, nicht der schokoladenkolben), übersteigt 400 Nm, aber war schwerer als der Mond.' Ist mit RWD undt getrieb-slushmatic. Dieses ist nicht das selbe wie, eine französische Zitrone mit FWD steuernd'

also, there is still the matter of the application fee......

Edit: yes mine is a protected ECU but i have been assured by the remap people that it is not an issue, sadly it just costs a little more (additional 200 zloty) to be bypassed.

Pity - you could have swapped it back at service time.

Some tuning companies now offer stuff to 'disguise' the changes in live data which may result from remapping, after all if it goes quicker, it must have more fuel, more boost, or both.....

[FarmerPug]

has anyone done such a remap to the c5 yet?
What was your bmw a 740 or 745?

[DiscoPol]

has anyone done such a remap to the c5 yet?
What was your bmw a 740 or 745?

FP it was a 1999 E38 740, the earlier ones had a 4 litre lump but the later ones got the 4.4 detuned to a standard 283 bhp and 440Nm but they responded well to a gentle prod with a remap and soon enough you had 500+ Nm and best part of 350 horses on tap, it was and probably always will be, my fave car.

as for you and your bloody gerrman waffle mein Doggy

oh FP the C5 is a very popular car out here so the remaps have all been tried and tested out on even the newest of C5s the poles love a bit of powaaaar so they are all up for remaps and the place is full of companies doing them.

[FarmerPug]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... ?logcode=p
one of these, 14.5mpg .
Definatley a very nice car (my favourite bmw) and suitable for lpg.

[highlander]

The only BMW I would really be interested in owning:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... 392048865/

[OdinEidolon]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... ?logcode=p
one of these, 14.5mpg .
Definatley a very nice car (my favourite bmw) and suitable for lpg.

I have a perfect example of one with M branded rims parked near my university house. It's astonishing.