1.9 or 2ltr hdi

[Stu63]

It's really the 2.0 I want but is there much diffirence between that and the 1.9?

The 2.0 is a 99, the 1.9 is a 98....juat wondered

[steve_earwig]

Hello.

How long have you got? Briefly, the HDi is a more modern engine, it was available in either 90 or 110bhp flavours. The 1.9td is an older (although mechanically similar) engine and puts out 90bhp. Being more modern the HDi has a lot more emissions systems, as well as some mechanical "improvements" than occasionally break and can be quite expensive to fix. The 1.9 is a well known engine, parts will be cheap and there's not so many of them to go wrong. Economy wise, if you spend your time driving up & down the country, the HDi will p!ss all over the td but if it's just around town and to the shops then there won't be much in it. You will notice a lack of power in the HDi 90 & td. Both can be tweeked, unless you're unlucky to come across an HDi 90 with Siemens injection but I don't think they made them in 1999. Oh, and the HDi is designed to (mostly) survive a cam belt failure, the td will bend valves and hole pistons in the traditional manner.

[ally406]

1.9 XUD = old (very old) school indirect injection dating back to the 80's. The 406 was it's last hoo-ha before it went out of production (although it lived on in DW8 form for a short while). Advantages are that it's as tough as they come, in the unlikely event that they break, they are simple and easy to work on. An all time engine hall of famer, they proved diesel was not just for tractors. They don't really have an expected life span, they'll just keep going provided you do basic servicing. The car will fall to bits around it long before it dies. They also run on vegetable oil or any other combustable and reasonably liquid substance.

2.0 is a much more modern, sophisticated common rail engine. It's far more efficient, smoother and more refined. Lots of electronics and clever stuff. Wouldn't mind having one, if only it ran on free home made fuel

[Doggy]

Let's face it ally, you're going to have to start making bio at some point.......

[sirwiggum]

After the revolution, XUDs like the 1.9 will still be chugging along on veg oil, the HDis will be sitting rotting at the side of the windswept roads.

They're fun if you enjoy constantly diagnosing and replacing sensors and mounts.

XUD was PSA's derv magnum opus.

[Doggy]

After the revolution, XUDs like the 1.9 will still be chugging along on veg oil, the HDis will be sitting rotting at the side of the windswept roads.

They're fun if you enjoy constantly diagnosing and replacing sensors and mounts.

XUD was PSA's derv magnum opus.

I have yet to replace my first sensor or mount, after 160,000 miles / 7 years in the 2 HDis I've owned.
In the same period, I have towed an XUD home on 3 separate occasions & got one going at the side of the road twice.

[steve_earwig]

Try fixing an HDi at the side of the road

We didn't do the rest of the car you know... and remember the HDi could be a D8...

[sirwiggum]

I owned 2 XUD ZXs and they never let me down, didn't need anything more than servicing / glow plugs / consumables.

The 1 HDi I owned needed clutch sensor, MAF, dodgy mounts, new cat/flexi.

[Stu63]

I was looking at 2 2ltr hdi's.....one is a 99 X with 117k (cant be gauranteed though as no "history", I did a check but the mileage can only be verfied up to 02 and was 45k) but drove fine and will come with a yrs mot (dealer)

The other also a 2lt and a 99 has 211k and has a history with alot of receipts also drove fine and will also come with a full mot (private)

The first is £900 the other will be about £650ish

What one (if any) sounds ok?

[lozz]

Ask the seller if he can give you the test centre number, off the current mot,
go on the mot info site and look at the Mileages from there,
if theres not a uptodate record, car couid be a uk import, ireland perhaps,

also look at any advisories listed,

ido this now with all cars ibuy, if the seller wont give you the test centre number from the current mot, he /she may have something to hide,

Re: the high mileage 406 you looked at, Look at the bumpers, can you see two holes where self tappers have been?
also look at where the wiring goes into the ecu look for a yellow wire with a scotch lock on it,

if you can see either of the above sighns walk away, (Ex taxi)

dont let high mileage ones put you off tho, just avoid anything that looks like its been taxid unless its going for peanuts

[Stu63]

I dont have any doubts about the mileage on the 211k one, just the other one, I didnt think, I could have got the mot number from it today, I'll get it tomorrow and take it from that. Dont get me wrong, the 211k one was good too, but had a toggle switch on the steering stalk to manually switch the fan on, but apart from was ok.


Well one other thing about the 211k I noticed, when he started it (cold) it made quite a bit a knocking/clunking noise as it idled.....there was nothing like from the other one

[lozz]

id pass on both of them if it was me, tbh,

toggle switch sounds suspect, which fan rad or heater ?

knocking sound on idle, look at, if its

drivers side, Crankpulley,
passenger side, Dmf,

clunk and engine lurching forward = lower engine mount,

[Stu63]

Would you.....Rad

[lozz]

Would you.....Rad

id be wanting to see it left to tick over for abit
withought the fan switched on,

see what happens if it boils over walk away, let the head blow on them not you

[Gary406]

i have a 1.9. brilliant engine BUT very slow. can run faster. well mine is anyway....tooo slugish.

go for the HDi 110 if you can. still a brilliant car . with a lot more pull....