2.2 petrol engine?

[Captain Jack]

How good/powerful/reliable are these engines? There's a 2007 407 with all mod cons and 35k on the clock being sold for 5k around here, so wondering if I should take a squint at it?

[Welly]

Turbolag on here had one and used to rave about it, very torquey by all accounts and doesn't mind being pootled around at low revs.

170bhp I believe and very reliable by all accounts.

[jonsowman]

I hear very good things about them from the Coupe Club forum - highlander can probably give you a useful opinion

[Welly]

highlander can probably give you a useful opinion

Just don't mention 'exhausts' to him, we'll be here all day

[jonsowman]

highlander can probably give you a useful opinion

Just don't mention 'exhausts' to him, we'll be here all day

[highlander]

Only because I have to shout at Welly's dodgy hearing aid - twice - so he can understand!

The 2.2 petrol in the 407 is exactly the same EW12J4 lump found in the 406. Naturally-aspirated, no turbo. I think the engine has direct fuel injection, but can't actually find any documentation to confirm that. The engine has variable valve timing too. It's a good solid reliable engine, pulls a car of 406 weight well (even one heavily-loaded with luggage), and is even reasonably economical.

160 HP and around 160 ft/lbs of torque, top speed of around 140 MPH, and a 0-60 time that isn't exactly spectacular, but is by no means slow.

When fitted with the appropriate after-market exhaust system, it also makes a very nice noise, if an engine's sound-track is what you're interested in. But then, a V6 would make an even better noise even with the standard exhaust, and would cost exactly the same amount of money to tax. Insurance and fuel costs would be higher I guess.

[Busman]

Occasionaly I drive a 407 with a 2.2 petrol and it's a realy nice drive, quiet, powerfull and torquey. Sadly, due to a buggered MFD, I can not report on it's economy!

[highlander]

doesn't mind being pootled around at low revs

Just over 1,100 RPM in 5th gear at 30 MPH and it's quite happy with that, no juddering "f*ck, I'm gonna stall" kind of feel about it at all. It's actually not even all that bad in 5th down as slow as 20-25 MPH.

3,200 RPM in 5th gear at 70 MPH, and it'll get between 37 and 42 MPG.

The timing belt interval is 9 years or 80,000 miles. This 2007 model 407 is 5 years old (coming on for 6) and still well shy of the 80k mark, so you don't have that to worry about for a while. £5000 seems a good price for it - well worth a look-see.

[Captain Jack]

Interesting. It's this one

[lozz]

nice

[robb]

Nice interior colour

[Welly]

The 407 chassis and sussy set up are supposed to be very capable; double wishbones up front keep the tyres in full contact with the road for more of the time and provide good feedback. I had a Honda with wouble fish bones and it felt great as a 'drivers' car.

Cap'n I noticed they've listed the servicing dates and without being pedantic I would have thought it would be serviced yearly given the low mileage covered? that's what I'd expect but maybe Peugeot were happy with fully-synthetic oils and 2-yearly servicing? might be worth reading up about in any case?

Generally though that should be an easy car to own and it's cheap enough I suppose. If I'm honest I never thought the 407 coupe had the same appeal as the 406 coupe (hard act to follow?), you certainly don't see many 7's around but I don't know if that means few were sold?

[Captain Jack]

To be honest, I probably won't be going for it. It just seems like a pretty good deal. Mine is getting on a bit and is rather rattly these days. Still nothing really wrong with it, but age is creeping up on it quickly.

[KozmoNaut]

The 2.2 petrol in the 407 is exactly the same EW12J4 lump found in the 406. Naturally-aspirated, no turbo. I think the engine has direct fuel injection, but can't actually find any documentation to confirm that. The engine has variable valve timing too. It's a good solid reliable engine, pulls a car of 406 weight well (even one heavily-loaded with luggage), and is even reasonably economical.

The EW12J4 doesn't have direct injection. If it did, it would have been designated HPi, like the short-lived direction-injection EW10D. It does have multi-point injection (one injector per cylinder), but most cars these days have that.

As for variable valve timing, it is exceedingly hard to find any information about it at all. Supposedly it offsets the intake camshaft by 20 degrees at low revs to provide more torque. It does provide over 90% of its peak torque at 2000rpm, so there must be something to it. I believe the PSA nomenclature is "VTC", but as I said it's extremely hard to find any solid info.

160 HP and around 160 ft/lbs of torque, top speed of around 140 MPH, and a 0-60 time that isn't exactly spectacular, but is by no means slow.

10 seconds dead 0-60 on paper, but it feels faster. I'd say somewhere in the region of 8-9 seconds if you really wring its neck.

When fitted with the appropriate after-market exhaust system, it also makes a very nice noise, if an engine's sound-track is what you're interested in. But then, a V6 would make an even better noise even with the standard exhaust, and would cost exactly the same amount of money to tax. Insurance and fuel costs would be higher I guess.

Mine makes a very healthy noise, better than my mate's V6 for sure, although I'm pretty sure the exhaust on mine isn't completely stock.

Either way, it's a wonderful engine to drive and mine's only got 135000km on it, so plenty of life left in it! :-)

Only thing to be aware of is that it's a hybrid engine. It burns petrol and oil!