Old 406 smashed up by driver without eyes

[flyerdave]

Well, my old green machine has just been taken to the nackers yard after a bloke in a saab hit it in the passenger side doors and front wing.

Now looking for a replacement. Thinking of another 406 but not sure which to go for. Just want something reliable so should I look for HDi 90, HDi110 or 2.2HDi. Which is the best option and cheapest to run.

Thanks for your input in advance.

[lozz]

Ah crap sorry to hear that mate,

There are some bad drivers out there,
igot T-boned in a estate ihad awhile back, a woman wearing a cloth crash helmet cut across a round about
and didnt see me , got that repaired but it never drove straight,

good luck with the next car ihope its a good en for ya

[rwb]

Sorry to hear that

What engine was in your old one?

If registered after March 2001 then the tax is £135 on the 90 and 110. The dodgy COM2000 units seem mainly to be on 51-plate cars, i.e., immediately after the switch to fully multiplex wiring.

The 90 is the cheapest to run, and is very slow. My average is 60MPG, although I'm closer to 50 now I'm on shorter runs. In fact, unless you're thrashing it on very short runs, you'll struggle to do less than 50MPG. There are two variations of the 90: Siemens and Bosch. The Siemens system was fitted from 2002, and you can easily spot them because they have a priming bulb at the top left of the engine. This means that they don't have the in-tank low pressure pump. For re-mapping the Bosch is a DIY job, but the Siemens must be done professionally (or you must be very, very brave) since it must be removed and opened up. The 90 has a solid flywheel, not dual mass.

The 110 has longer final drive than the 90, which is good if you're on the motorway.

The 2.2 is brilliant. The particle filter is easily removed, and they will re-map to 180hp if you're into that sort of thing. Doggy is our resident expert on these, and you can get a lot of support on this engine from the coupe club (who can also offer the full super tractor treatment of de-fap, remap, and remove a few other environmental contraptions for you). However it costs more to tax, to insure, and I doubt it'll average much more than 45MPG.

[flyerdave]

The old one was a 1.9 Turbo lx - 1997.

Engine was good but not really powerful enough to pull my old 1200kg caravan. Am I right in saying that the 110 with it's flywheel can cause trouble? I think I might prefer the 90 with a remap but how would this affect my insurance?

At the end of the day I am looking for the most reliable model and am happy for folks to suggest other worthy contenders, other makes and models etc.

[sym]

[quote="rwb"]Sorry to hear that

What engine was in your old one?

If registered after March 2001 then the tax is £135 on the 90 and 110. The dodgy COM2000 units seem mainly to be on 51-plate cars, i.e., immediately after the switch to fully multiplex wiring.

The 90 is the cheapest to run, and is very slow. My average is 60MPG, although I'm closer to 50 now I'm on shorter runs. In fact, unless you're thrashing it on very short runs, you'll struggle to do less than 50MPG. ] my 2000 [w] 90 averages around the 37.8 mpg mark around town, any tips to improve it would be handy, i dont thrash it either. thanks

[jasper5]

Well, my old green machine has just been taken to the nackers yard after a bloke in a saab hit it in the passenger side doors and front wing.

Now looking for a replacement. Thinking of another 406 but not sure which to go for. Just want something reliable so should I look for HDi 90, HDi110 or 2.2HDi. Which is the best option and cheapest to run.

Thanks for your input in advance.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your car, but if you don't get fixed up with another 406 I still have a Mitsubishi Carisma for sale though I haven't been pushing the sale lately (too much aggro going on in my life, long story)...

It's a 2003 (52) 1.9 DiD Elegance model with all leather seats, CD changer, cruise control, electric front windows, mot until October, taxed until end of march (low tax band), new cat, new front discs and pads, new cv joint, all recently fitted, tyres all nearly new, will fully service it before sale....full service history, I've serviced and maintained it for the last 9 years.....not used as a taxi, previous owner was a family friend.
113,000 miles, not used it much since mot.Very reliable and smooth to drive.

Asking £800.

One day I'll get some pictures posted....if you are interested I'll post some, although we've just had some serious snow in the last few hours.

[rwb]

2000 [w] 90 averages around the 37.8 mpg mark around town, any tips to improve it would be handy, i dont thrash it either. thanks

Is that what's measured on the MFD or what you measure by brim-to-brim filling? My computer under-reads by 8 to 12 MPG compared to brim-to-brim, although I've never known any other to be so far out. You have to measure brim-to-brim! (You'll have a Bosch system; I suspect but cannot prove that the Siemens system is more efficient.) For town driving try to keep it under 2000rpm, and keep it rolling -- this is very slow. If it's a hilly town then you're stuffed

[flyerdave]

Am I right in saying that the 110 with it's flywheel can cause trouble? I think I might prefer the 90 with a remap but how would this affect my insurance?

Could I ask you kind folk to give me your thoughts on the above questions as I have to decide what i am going to do this weekend.

thanks

[lozz]

Fly wheel?

you mean D.M.F

nah they dont suffer with Dmf fails, very rarely anyway

[jasper5]

Am I right in saying that the 110 with it's flywheel can cause trouble? I think I might prefer the 90 with a remap but how would this affect my insurance?

Could I ask you kind folk to give me your thoughts on the above questions as I have to decide what i am going to do this weekend.

thanks

I've been involved in changing a few clutches and flywheels on these, the flywheels have usually been 50/50 as to whether they should be changed (quite high mileages) none of them have been on the brink of failure, but common sense dictated that they be replaced.

From experience, the 90 would be best for reliability with the 110 being the best for towing.

[flyerdave]

I've been involved in changing a few clutches and flywheels on these, the flywheels have usually been 50/50 as to whether they should be changed (quite high mileages) none of them have been on the brink of failure, but common sense dictated that they be replaced.

From experience, the 90 would be best for reliability with the 110 being the best for towing.

How much does it cost to change clutch and flywheel on a 110?

If I were to remap a 90, would it be possible to just adjust it to that of a 110 and have the best of both worlds?

thanks for your help.

[Doggy]

If you're intending to tow something heavy, I think you should avoid the 90. While it has similar power and torque to the 1.9, it critically lacks an intercooler, so is not ideal for sustained hard pulling. Being biased, I would recommend a 2.2 - even std ones have 235 lb/ft vs 184 for a 110 or 154 for a 90, but I recognise 110's are easier to find and cheaper to run. Executives are nice and don't cost any more at this age. Lots of creature comforts and cruise from about 2001 on.

Good luck with your search.

[grasmere59]

[quote="flyerdave"]The old one was a 1.9 Turbo lx - 1997.

Engine was good but not really powerful enough to pull my old 1200kg caravan. Am I right in saying that the 110 with it's flywheel can cause trouble? I think I might prefer the 90 with a remap but how would this affect my insurance?



I had my 110 remapped and i tow a 1350 kg caravan with the car pretty well loaded up,it does about 30-35 mpg towing.On the trip to Cornwall last year it wasn't overjoyed with the hills on the A361 and got a bit hot but that was probably my fault not giving it a better run up at them,on the whole though it's fine with the van on the back.The flywheel on mine had been converted to a solid one just before i bought it so hopefully no worries there.

[rwb]

The old one was a 1.9 Turbo lx - 1997.

Engine was good but not really powerful enough to pull my old 1200kg caravan. Am I right in saying that the 110 with it's flywheel can cause trouble? I think I might prefer the 90 with a remap but how would this affect my insurance?

The 90 is hard work with passengers, never mind a caravan
Give Chris Knott a call about insurance. Their normal offer seems to be to match your current premium, but including a remap.

At the end of the day I am looking for the most reliable model and am happy for folks to suggest other worthy contenders, other makes and models etc.

407 2.0 HDi ?

[flyerdave]

It's funny you mention the 407 2.0, as I have been looking at these today and was going to ask you guys what you thought about them. The one I have my eyes on is the Peugeot 407 2.0 HDi 136 SE.