407 balljoints

[trem1]

As some of you may know the 407 has issues with the bottom balljoint, mine had two fail the first was in may and the second just recently well i thought i might post a pic of the said balljoint,peugeot used a new innovitave idea for these balljoints which doesnt work the rubber perishes and allows water to penetrate which results in premature failure, as low as 20,000 miles

[Welly]

What's with the rusty pellets?

[mjb]

wow

Seems the 407s have some rather nasty common flaws - clutch failure seems ridiculously common too... How hard would it really be to make a robotic driving apparatus, shove the car on a rolling road with pothole simulation and varying simulated weather conditions to simulate a real world conditions? Surely it wouldn't cost more than the amount of repairs they have to cough up for under warranty on a global scale?

[trem1]

like everything else the 407 has issues but most are known about now, as you say the two most common are the dmf clutch(same as 406 110 hdi) which fails about 30,000 miles almost always covered by warranty (first time anyway) like the 406 there is a solid flywheel mod available, the balljoints also fail about the same time also covered for first three years, mine has never had the balljoints replaced under warranty but i paid for one to be done by an independant garage cost £105, main dealer £130ish, just replaced other side last weekend..cost £36.00 a pair off ebay, so cheap enough and if it lasts 30,000 miles thats about three years for me so i'm ok with that

[steve_earwig]

What's with the rusty pellets?

Doh... ball race (but with cylindrical rollers)

That would be a roller bearing. I'd be tempted to strip it and fit a grease nipple (remember them?) at the back.

[Welly]

I feel so ashamed

Rusty pellets! what was I thinking?

[trem1]

yea i thought about the grease nipple, and supa you get three years warranty and allow not officially recognized by pug as a problem they are getting replaced no questions asked even for "you lot"

[rapport25]

The joys of owning a peugeot

I always thought the more paid for a car the more testing done by the manufacture 406 coupe 3.0 V6 has the 2.0 gearbox and a sh*t load of compromises.

I should of brought the bmw 330ci clubsport a cracking car not peugeots attempt at market where they cant compete a £30k car with no research and development.

Nearly forgot. Us customers do the research and development .

Apart from the looks thats it a terrible car .

Lets not forget the audi tt when it was first launched. All were recalled. Due to flipping over going around roundabouts or corners .

There test tracks must of just been built by the romans Next time you see one look at the stupid bit of plastic bolted to the back. Major design fault.

So, dont curse peugeots all manufactures are guilty of compromises. As for dual mass flywheels most manufactures use them not just a peugeot problem.

[rapport25]

I loved the look of the TT when it was first launched in 2001. Still can believe testing did not show the design fault no down force at the rear. They have that stupid piece of plastic or spoiler as i would class it in every way screwed to the back

[steve_earwig]

I suppose with that rubber seal, all the testing in the world can't age something by 4 years. I'm wondering if those things that look like paint dots on the seal on the new balljoint are to show it's modified.

Just out of interest, the Ford Pinto

[mjb]

I always thought the more paid for a car the more testing done by the manufacture 406 coupe 3.0 V6 has the 2.0 gearbox and a sh*t load of compromises.

It's not the same gearbox, manual at least. Maybe the same design and housing, but (some of) the internals are different. The diff is specific to the V6 and the driveshafts are bigger than the rest of the range - as I discovered when I needed a new CV boot...

What compromises are there other than the keypad immobiliser and auto-closing windows (actually part of the immobiliser system)?

[rapport25]

I always thought the more paid for a car the more testing done by the manufacture 406 coupe 3.0 V6 has the 2.0 gearbox and a sh*t load of compromises.

It's not the same gearbox, manual at least. Maybe the same design and housing, but (some of) the internals are different. The diff is specific to the V6 and the driveshafts are bigger than the rest of the range - as I discovered when I needed a new CV boot...

What compromises are there other than the keypad immobiliser and auto-closing windows (actually part of the immobiliser system)?

I have had many peugeots over the years and it is by far the worst peugeot i have owned 3.0 V6 SE manual coupe. The gearbox broke on mine and was told by a gearbox specialist that gearbox was not upto the extra power from the V6 and was the 2.0 box his words not mine. Parts for the coupe very over priced and insurance group 18 for a car that really is not that quick. Or does not handle very well even if you are not pressing on. And this car has upper and lower strutt braces so it should handle well.

A V6 in a saloon far better option.

Dont get me wrong I really wanted to love this car. But was very dissapointed. The best thing about the car was the way it looked and sounded with V6 roar.The drive a big let down

[mjb]

The gearbox broke on mine and was told by a gearbox specialist that gearbox was not upto the extra power from the V6 and was the 2.0 box his words not mine.

It's the same design as the 2.0 box, but not the same internals. The box is fine to take the V6s power. If it weren't there'd be none on the roads now and mine would be scrap as it probably spends more time on the sunny side of 4000rpm than under it

The 2.0 box is also fitted to the diesels, which have more torque than the V6s, so if it can't take a V6 it'd be dying on practically every 406 ever made

Parts for the coupe very over priced

Parts for most cars are overpriced from dealers. There's no difference between the cost of parts for the 406 saloon, estate and coupe.

and insurance group 18 for a car that really is not that quick.

But it is a LOT more desirable to nick than a 406 saloon or estate, both of which are group 17 - not a lot of difference in premiums.

Or does not handle very well even if you are not pressing on. And this car has upper and lower strutt braces so it should handle well. A V6 in a saloon far better option.

Can't say much here because I've not driven a coupe, but the saloon has nothing on the estate when it comes to handling. The estate has bulked up rear suspension and much better weight distribution. The extra 100KG over the rear really improves things a lot.

For the money though, 406s right are on the ball. Maintenance is cheap compared to other 200bhp cars, comfort is second to none, they look good and best of all they're cheap as chips with a V6 saloon coming in at around £600 and a coupe around £1500

I've got to admit, I'm still torn between what to get when I kill my V6 saloon - another estate or a coupe... The estate's perfectly suited to me, but I simply can't ignore the looks of the coupe...

[trem1]

I suppose with that rubber seal, all the testing in the world can't age something by 4 years. I'm wondering if those things that look like paint dots on the seal on the new balljoint are to show it's modified.

Just out of interest, the Ford Pinto

according to servicebox you must not fit a balljoint that hasnt got those three paint dots on its to prove its never been on a vehicle.....apparently......only thing is if it had been on a vehicle it would be in two pieces cos its gotta be pulled off there is a modified version out with a stainless steel ring that fits between the rubber and the stub (the bit marked clean thoroughly)

[rapport25]

Like most things MJB everyone has there own opinion. Mine is I would never buy another 406 coupe.

The 406 saloon on the other hand I can only sing its praises. I sold my 406 3.0 V6 se coupe and brought a 406 110 hdi.
Not through choice might I add but did not like the look of the vectras or the mondeos.

I wanted a comfy 4 door saloon/or hatchback that all the extras came as standard. Returned great mpg and was very easy to drive on long journeys.

The 406 Hdi has done all this plus a few extras to go with it. A great chasis far better than the coupes No joking aside the saloon I would say you could go around a corner 20mph faster without even the hint of brown pants . The coupe is not very good at going around corners even if you are not pressing on which i never had the confidence to.

Also does not have ferrari styling so parts are very cheap. I admit when I had mine parts were very rare it was dealer only. Im surprised as I here the 607 is the same. Dealer parts only.

Have heard reports the diesel coupe is a far better balance the handling is great. maybe worth looking at if you decided to buy one.

Sorry Trem for hijacking your post

Is it true the 407 handles far better than a 406?