10000k hid kit h7r and other bits

[modified406]

have a look on this site http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/h7r-an ... -bulb.html
near perfect beam pattern
and to ease no2lurch abot this being illegal or legal have a look
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 640AAGhbYZ

[Welly]

Don't get me wrong here fella but it's a strong subject and people have many different views I think we should be able to check all the facts about these things, like this site for example.........http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... j0X17eFedA

[modified406]

right granted but theres no glare what so ever have u seen these h7r bulbs on a kit before ??? u can see the bulb when the lights are switched on but with normal h7 hid kits u cant the beam pattern is near perfect with them as i have had these bulbs tested by an mot inspector sorry i make that 2 mot inspectors as the 2 guys done them truthfully these bulbs are alot different from normal hid bulbs and they act just like normal halogen bulbs

[modified406]

another thing that website is about normal hid bulbs believe me when i say this the h7r bulbs just act like halogen bulbs when no2lurch gets them he'll soon see for himself lol

[mjb]

You keep bringing up MOT testers, but what the hell have they got to do with it? An MOT tester won't fail you for illegal headlamp bulbs (as long as the beam pattern's within limits), they won't fail you for illegally tinted windows, they won't fail you for illegal underbody lighting or any other lighting that has you say impersonating a police car... but you're a menace on the roads, the coppers will do you for them, and if you have an accident, your insurance WILL BE VOID and you will be utterly raped by the courts.

[modified406]

because on normal hids mot testers fail you if u do not have projector headlamps
tell me this has any of yous guys actually seen these bulbs in person am guessin by ur comments not
but i have had no problems with the cops as for my insurance they wer declared so its upty the new buyer to declare them simples
theres no glare at all off them

[modified406]

why dont we all wait for no2lurch opinion on them these work with height adjusters as well so u can put them down low

[StevieboyTD]

I've been longing for a set of HIDs on mine, but it's the reflector nature of the headlight that's been putting me off, would be nice to see some beam pics once these are fitted.

Also been thinking of a new set of headlights as mine have the nasty "micro-fractures" running top to bottom across the front of the lens, not sure how that would alter the beam spread.

[highlander]

Allegedly, you also need to have headlamp washers on a car fitted with HID lighting in order for it to be street-legal too

That would rule out every 406 except the higher-spec ones (that's my LX right out the window then, as per sodding usual)

[steve_earwig]

*whips out violin* I dunno what you're complaining about, it's just more stuff to break and then a big stack of cash to fix.

[no2lurch]

Allegedly, you also need to have headlamp washers on a car fitted with HID lighting in order for it to be street-legal too

That would rule out every 406 except the higher-spec ones (that's my LX right out the window then, as per sodding usual)

from past experience, thats not true either. my e30 bmw passed 3 mots with them fitted after i removed the washers.

[no2lurch]

*whips out violin* I dunno what you're complaining about, it's just more stuff to break and then a big stack of cash to fix.

my reconning is, get the fitted, if i dont like i'll swap back or buy different bulbs. they are just plug and plug, nothing major to put them in.

[steve_earwig]

Plug and play? Indeed, see what they're like, I know would.

As for all the legal stuff, I know it'll be ok for the MOT, the cops won't know or care anyway, it's just those sodding slippery insurance companies I'd worry about.

Btw I'd really love to fit some extremely bright mains for all those times drivers here coming the other way leave their main beams on regardless of how busily I'm flashing them. Just imagine one flash and they're toast

[highlander]

Steve, those are called "LASERS" and no, you're not allowed to have any.

No2Lurch, as MJB said earlier it's not about whether or not they pass the MOT - it's about the legal issue - if you are pulled over by the police you can be fined for having headlights that are the wrong colour, or that are not in compliance with the rules laid down in law.

Borrowing this from a similar thread on the Coupe Club forums (emphasis mine):

Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps
December 2006

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

Personally I wouldn't risk it. I'm sticking with normal or LED-replacement bulbs. However, if you can get the legal issues of this cleared up in some way, fair play to you

Cheers
Graeme

[steve_earwig]

Steve, those are called "LASERS" and no, you're not allowed to have any.

Dammit Plan A it is then. Or should I say Plan AK