For Sale: 406 2.0 GLX Estate - possible swap

[steve_earwig]

Take it the time of year is main reason no one is interested

It probably wouldn't make much difference if it was diesel, my one is.

1. I'd buy it and convert it to lpg as it's extremely (for here) cheap.
2. But I just spent 13,000€ on a 2,0 HDi
3. And it's rhd and UK registered, to be legal I'd have to mot and insure it here and tax, mot and insure it in the UK. Or pay a fortune to import it and have a car I could only sell for scrap when I was done.

If I were you I'd investigate converting it to lpg.

[Toby]

Take it the time of year is main reason no one is interested

It probably wouldn't make much difference if it was diesel, my one is.

1. I'd buy it and convert it to lpg as it's extremely (for here) cheap.
2. But I just spent 13,000€ on a 2,0 HDi
3. And it's rhd and UK registered, to be legal I'd have to mot and insure it here and tax, mot and insure it in the UK. Or pay a fortune to import it and have a car I could only sell for scrap when I was done.

If I were you I'd investigate converting it to lpg.

Cheers, converting it to LPG is not an option. Will cost in the region of £1500 to do and I don't believe its worth the outlay on this. I certainly wouldn't get it back when I sold it.

[steve_earwig]

Ah, sorry about that. Costs about £800 here, cheaper in Bosnia.

[Toby]

Ah, sorry about that. Costs about £800 here, cheaper in Bosnia.

Hey no worries, I appreciate the advice.

[Welly]

I am slightly confused here.

When people shout "I need a Diesel" it is worth pausing for a moment to consider the costs.....

Lets say you do 18000 miles a year:

Diesel at 42MPG = £2035.00 @ £4.75 per gal
Petrol at 32MPG = £2503.00 @ £4.45 per gal

So your only saving £468.00 a year. Granted if you managed to get 50 MPG (very hard to average) the saving would be £793.00 but I don't think thats achievable IMO.

Also bear in mind that your petrol engine is super-reliable and you never have to replace any parts here other than fluids and filters. The HDi on the other hand is dogged by 'over control' of emissions, weak flywheel assy's, bottom pulley failure, LP pump failure, EGR, the list goes on (a bit).

Now if you were prepared to spend £5,000.00 on the very last 04 plate HDi you would not have many of these faults (yet) but you will be plagued by the rather expensive ANTI POLUTION FAULT putting you into the hands of at least the Dealer or at best a very good specialist, not forgetting the expensive special fluid and FAP filter maintenance. In addition, you will still have a 406, albeit a bit newer and you a bit lighter of cash.

In my opinion Diesel cars for private use are becoming a bad choice compared to the now super reliable petrols and their 'catching up with Diesel' MPG's.

[mjb]

only 42mpg from a HDi? really? I used to do that every day in my tubby (albeit with conscious effort) and I drove a VW TDi for a while and it wouldn't drop under 50mpg even cruising >90mph... Having said that though, the tubby won't get much change from 24mpg driving like that.

I get what you say about some of the petrols (2.0T, 2.0 16v) having diesel-like reliability but when we talk about the 1.9TD, 200k is still a young 'un...

[Welly]

42MPG was me trying to indicate an average over 18000 miles, sure you will get 53MPG on a long journey (I have many times) but your overall average will be around the 42MPG mark I think.

My average MPG has dropped with the cold weather from 37.8 to 34.7MPG at the mo and that is short 3 mile runs to work and general local running.

My previous 2.5V6 petrol did 17 to 22MPG doing the same journeys.

[Toby]

I am slightly confused here.

When people shout "I need a Diesel" it is worth pausing for a moment to consider the costs.....

Lets say you do 18000 miles a year:

Diesel at 42MPG = £2035.00 @ £4.75 per gal
Petrol at 32MPG = £2503.00 @ £4.45 per gal

So your only saving £468.00 a year. Granted if you managed to get 50 MPG (very hard to average) the saving would be £793.00 but I don't think thats achievable IMO.

Also bear in mind that your petrol engine is super-reliable and you never have to replace any parts here other than fluids and filters. The HDi on the other hand is dogged by 'over control' of emissions, weak flywheel assy's, bottom pulley failure, LP pump failure, EGR, the list goes on (a bit).

Now if you were prepared to spend £5,000.00 on the very last 04 plate HDi you would not have many of these faults (yet) but you will be plagued by the rather expensive ANTI POLUTION FAULT putting you into the hands of at least the Dealer or at best a very good specialist, not forgetting the expensive special fluid and FAP filter maintenance. In addition, you will still have a 406, albeit a bit newer and you a bit lighter of cash.

In my opinion Diesel cars for private use are becoming a bad choice compared to the now super reliable petrols and their 'catching up with Diesel' MPG's.

Believe me I have and will work out cheaper to have a diesel. I do mainly motorway runs and therefore a diesel. You mention problems with the HDi, possibly true but first of all its possible I won't get a HDi, I am considering a range of diesels. Secondly I do all my own work myself.

Before I bought the 406 I had a Vauxhall Vectra 2.5 V6 and that was better on fuel than the 406.

You say petrols are catching up with diesels MPG wise, I don't think that is true. Modern common rail diesels are super effcient with extremely good MPG as well as petrol like performance. Thats besides the point anyway.

I do not want a 1.9TD or anything like that. I am only considering things that I think I could get 50mpg out of and I do actually believe I could average that.

[TooT]

In my opinion Diesel cars for private use are becoming a bad choice compared to the now super reliable petrols and their 'catching up with Diesel' MPG's.

I agree with that. My old man drives a 06 Vectra 1.8VVT SRI on shitty little A roads to his work and back, i think his daily commute is 45 miles anyway he is getting 43mpg constant

[Welly]

In my opinion Diesel cars for private use are becoming a bad choice compared to the now super reliable petrols and their 'catching up with Diesel' MPG's.

I agree with that. My old man drives a 06 Vectra 1.8VVT SRI on shitty little A roads to his work and back, i think his daily commute is 45 miles anyway he is getting 43mpg constant

My old man's got an 05' Mundano 1.8 averaging 40MPG door to door

My sisters' got a 55' Hyundai Coupe 1.6 doing 40MPG stuck in nose to tail traffic every day.

My other sister drives a 55' Audi A3 quattro 200 BHP 2.0FSi and even that does 32MPG (all local work) and she drives like a nutter.

Actually, why am I the only one with a 'T' reg Diesel doing 34MPG

[Toby]

My old man's got an 05' Mundano 1.8 averaging 40MPG door to door

My sisters' got a 55' Hyundai Coupe 1.6 doing 40MPG stuck in nose to tail traffic every day.

My other sister drives a 55' Audi A3 quattro 200 BHP 2.0FSi and even that does 32MPG (all local work) and she drives like a nutter.

Actually, why am I the only one with a 'T' reg Diesel doing 34MPG

You see and therein lies the problem. You are talking about brand new (basically)/2 year old cars. There is no way in hell I can afford to buy such a car, therefore for the age of car I can afford, diesel makes sense. You post like I have just blindly said I need a diesel. I haven't. I have done the research.

[Welly]

Toby, the thread has gone a bit off topic but it is a valid point that new petrols are much better now.

What I was trying to say earlier was just to be careful with a Diesel (particularly a high miles 5/6 year old one) I don't think they are as reliable or cheap to run as you would hope. Modern Diesels come with so much emissions crap bolted to them it's more stuff to go wrong, and it goes wrong after about 100,000 miles when no one cares about it. You only need a HP pump to go and you're looking at big £££££'s

When I bought mine I thought I could fill it up and forget it, unfortunately I've had quite a few problems which have cost me and wiped out any Diesel savings.

Maybe I just got unlucky this time

I hope you manage to resolve your car choice, maybe if money's tight you could do worse than buying a D8 2.1 12valve td. You could buy one, change all the belts etc and you've got yourself a cheap, economical car.

[Toby]

Toby, the thread has gone a bit off topic but it is a valid point that new petrols are much better now.

What I was trying to say earlier was just to be careful with a Diesel (particularly a high miles 5/6 year old one) I don't think they are as reliable or cheap to run as you would hope. Modern Diesels come with so much emissions crap bolted to them it's more stuff to go wrong, and it goes wrong after about 100,000 miles when no one cares about it. You only need a HP pump to go and you're looking at big £££££'s

When I bought mine I thought I could fill it up and forget it, unfortunately I've had quite a few problems which have cost me and wiped out any Diesel savings.

Maybe I just got unlucky this time

I hope you manage to resolve your car choice, maybe if money's tight you could do worse than buying a D8 2.1 12valve td. You could buy one, change all the belts etc and you've got yourself a cheap, economical car.

Indeed it has but as it looks like its not going to sell, guess it doesn't really matter.

I understand your point of view and you raise valid points. I know about the emissions technology etc. The fact is, anything goes wrong, I can fix it myself and therefore shouldn't cost as much as it needs to.

A 2.1 TD is just not economical enough though. I know I will get shouted down on that one but it really isn't for the miles I do.

[mjb]

Indeed it has but as it looks like its not going to sell, guess it doesn't really matter.

It's a bad time of year to sell things, but what about putting it on ebay with a start price of your absolute bottom line?

[Toby]

Indeed it has but as it looks like its not going to sell, guess it doesn't really matter.

It's a bad time of year to sell things, but what about putting it on ebay with a start price of your absolute bottom line?

It is yes, I have. I put it on with a start price of well below my bottom line. No good