Supercharged Induction Kit 20bhp extra

GeordieBoy · Post by **GeordieBoy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:18 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/electric-supercha ... dZViewItem

Seems pretty good, expensive but if it adds 20bhp its prob worth it.
40,000 rpm (instantly), Serious BOOST
Its something I'll look at getting done in about 2mths time. Something like that and an ECU Remap will take mine from 110bhp to about 170bhp.

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:27 am

hi,

I don't know much about getting more power out of engines, but is it not a bad ideas as the car (the brakes,wheel bearings) where designed to handle 110bhp?

What are the best whays of getting more performance out of the hdi's (110) with out changing to much, and costing to much?

Thanks,

ANdy

GeordieBoy · Post by **GeordieBoy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:31 am

ECU Remap about ?300 adds about 40bhp, you can also get a tuning box for about ?250 which adds about 30bhp. Brakes can be upgraded when you replace them. I dont think anything would add to the top speed, but you get there quicker so you dont actually affect braking etc.

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:41 am

any cheaper performance mods?

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:07 am

Please don't buy this as it's a complete waste of money... especially as your car is already turbocharged, you'll simply restrict the airflow to the turbo and massively hinder the performance.

GeordieBoy · Post by **GeordieBoy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:15 am

Captain Jack wrote:Please don't buy this as it's a complete waste of money... especially as your car is already turbocharged, you'll simply restrict the airflow to the turbo and massively hinder the performance.

How can it restrict air flow when it forces more air into it?

Post by **Welly** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:00 pm

Much has ben debated about these electric things and everyone always reports they are crap.

On a TD engine, even if they did allow more Oxygen into the combustion process you would need to address the fueling to suit as a diesel is less adaptable than a petrol.

On the HDi the air filter is connected directly to the turbo compressor housing so as the turbo spools up it sucks in air, compresses it (boost pressure) and delivers it to the combustion chambers so this electric thing will not be forcing air into the engine itself anyway it would be blowing directly at the turbo, which on a the HDi would most probably have a negative effect as the turbo is at full whack at 1750 rpm anyway.

And, yes in a way if you increase the power of your car you will be able to travel faster on a given stretch of road over the same distance so you will have to stop harder at the end, also you will be able to travel faster between bends as the car will gather speed quiker than before so you will no doubt enter corners more quickly and need better suspension etc.

Also, it is not possible to Add-up BHP figures on cars, 20 for this 30 for that etc so to get 170 BHP out of the 2.0HDi would be some feat of engineering excellence.

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:24 pm

hi,

from what i have read, the best and safest way to get some more performance it to simply get it re-mapped, giving 26bph increase for (110) and 60N more torque.

thanks,

ANdy

k3nny · Post by **k3nny** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:35 pm

I was looking at this on ebay, and i was wondering 'how fast' is 37.500 RPM ? i mean i know 12.000 RPM on a motorbike is already sounds like its gonna fly. but in term of forced air induction system .... does it really 'gonna work' ?!

I've seen these kind a thing sold down here, but most of them are crap. one of my mate installed them (not the one on ebay - ETS) on his 206, it sounds cool while reving but it basically does nothing to the engine performance.

But hey, i might be wrong about this ETS one.

Geordie, could you post the result when you got them installed? who knows this one might actually works.

Good Luck m8

GeordieBoy · Post by **GeordieBoy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:08 pm

xplosiv wrote:hi,

from what i have read, the best and safest way to get some more performance it to simply get it re-mapped, giving 26bph increase for (110) and 60N more torque.

thanks,

ANdy

A remap done professionally should get 35-40bhp increase, 26bhp is prob what a plug n play box will do.

Quote from an email I received from Angel Tuning:

Our charge for the 2.0 HDi is ?275 + VAT. This price includes the remapping work to add up to 40bhp, (55lb ft torque) pre and post testing, acceleration testing providing conditions allow and travel to your home or workplace. We would like to state that we are not the sort of company that tries to get the ultimate extra 1bhp at the expense of drivability. Our aim is to achieve the best combination of power, longevity, economy and as mentioned, drivability. Each engine map is custom to the car and the drivers requirements, tested on the road, where it counts. The mileage is big, but providing it has been serviced well there is no reason it why it shouldn't go on to do a nother 112k, tuned or untuned.

ECU remapping is fully reversible, which means if you are unhappy with the results on the day, we will return the car to normal and thank you for trying us. After this, we offer a 14 day "cooling off" period during which you can at least get the chance to test our work over distance and familiar journeys. If once again you are unhappy for any reason, we can either modify what we have done or indeed return the car to standard and give you a full refund.

GeordieBoy · Post by **GeordieBoy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:10 pm

Have a look at the feedback on there site: http://electronicturbosystems.com/13.htm

ets.com has been producing and selling Electronic Turbo Systems since 2004 and in that time we have had lots of positive feedback, below are testimonials from some of our customers

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BMW 525I Amazing Really goes some.
BMW M3 Great product, 17 BHP more
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Honda Civic 18 HP more, great
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Mercedes 190E approx 15 brake more from the Generation 1
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Toyota Supra 3.0 will definitely buy again,
Vauxhall cavalier SRI my 0-60 time is now 6.8 from 7.2, Great!
Vauxhall cavalier 1.6 you can really feel the boost!
Vauxhall Calibra 16V Awsome, really good
Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 Phat!!!!!!
Vauxhall Omega 2.0 smooth, good power increase
Vauxhall Vectra GSi I can really feel the difference in torque

Foxy · Post by **Foxy** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:32 pm

These products are a total and utter waste of money. It would work against the turbo as has alreay been said. As the turbo will generate 100x the boost a 12v electric thing ever could.

Get a remap. Ive only heard good things from HDi owners who have had remaps.

niz406 · Post by **niz406** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:29 am

Geordie all of those cars you listed are PETROL N/A cars ! ! NOT Turbocharged cars...

Imagine you buy one and to start with your like hell yeah at WOT I can really feel it but then as you clime up the gears and the boost begins to creep up from the turbo, but the electric jobbie cant cope with the flow rate, then either backpressure is going to result, possibly damaging your turbo through extra heat generated.... or the rotors of the plastic fins snap and your engine chews up some PVC - ABS - etc. what ever material it is made from.... not a good idea ! !

Why do you think it is placed @ the air filter ? Its because its typically a cold air source and so heat will not affect the fan or the fans bearings as its a bushless fan ! ! It doesn't matter how fast the electric fan is rated, you want to be concerned with the fans CFM rating, this is the amount of air forced through the fans impellers, if this is not a higher rating than that of the N/A suction rate then the electric turbo won't keep up with the engine ! !

LXHDi110 · Post by **LXHDi110** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:50 pm

Just my pennies worth...... my hdi 110 is chipped, yes it has increased power, aceleration etc, but what makes it worth the money is the extra smoothness to the overall ride, eg pulls from lower revs better, no turbo idle, smoother between gear changes and if possible even better to drive then before. Actualy iv turned chip down to approx 75% to gain best performance/mpg. Not saying this best setting for all but for me it is. And to be honest there aint that many diesels out there that just drive away from me so im happy. As a note the 406 hdi 110 will run chip at maximum no problem, and 0 - 60 well under 10 sec, but drivability more important..... wow big penny sorry.

Post by **Welly** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:52 am

Which 'Chip' did you go for?