Winter tyres

[OdinEidolon]

We're all driving on part-worn's anyway, unless you want to buy a new set of tyres every two days

I bought some about 3 years ago for her indoors car they 'let me loose' in their yard and I pulled out a pair of Michelin Pilot's and gave them a mega close-up. There was no side wall damage, no signs of puncture repair and they were worn evenly with no cuts/tears. I watched them rotate evenly on the balancing machine so was happy with them.

You don't get to have such a close look when buying a used car and we're quite happy to drive that on the motorway or whatever.....

Yes, but I know the history of the part-worn I use, since I had them from new. And, most importantly, it seems noone cares about the age of the tyre. I think it's more important than the tread depth. Look for the DOT numbers guys!

4x4 is useless without winter tyres on the snow. Many people even here don't get it. In a friend's terrano we spinned TWICE in the middle of the road doing a very low speed turn 'cuz his father says: it's a 4x4, it doesn't need winter tyres. Bullshit.

[steve_earwig]

I have to have winter tyres by law and even a cheap set piššes all over summer tyres. What you have to remember is the compound in summer tyres looses its elasticity below 7 degrees, so you are better off on winter tyres from say December until March. I binned my first set when I was in GB in April but they were nearing their wear limit (which I think is 4mm) but after 7 winters I had no complaints.

As for part worns, there's nothing wrong with them providing they're not too old, old tyres degrade and loose they're elasticity so they'll last forever but have no grip in the wet.

Edit: Ah well, but it bears repeating

[OdinEidolon]

I have to have winter tyres by law and even a cheap set piššes all over summer tyres. What you have to remember is the compound in summer tyres looses its elasticity below 7 degrees, so you are better off on winter tyres from say December until March. I binned my first set when I was in GB in April but they were nearing their wear limit (which I think is 4mm) but after 7 winters I had no complaints.

As for part worns, there's nothing wrong with them providing they're not too old, old tyres degrade and loose they're elasticity so they'll last forever but have no grip in the wet.

Edit: Ah well, but it bears repeating

Great minds think alike

[FarmerPug]

The first snow day there today, although the car didn't slip much, what was nice is how quick the inside heater warms up, i was expecting a long wait but the vents are warm within a minuite.

[Bailes1992]

The first snow day there today, although the car didn't slip much, what was nice is how quick the inside heater warms up, i was expecting a long wait but the vents are warm within a minuite.

You have glowplugs in your heating system to give you instant heat

And I still wouldn't touch 'Second hand' tyres. Calling them second hand as Omega's being funny about it.

I know where my tyres have been, I know every pot hole I've hit, I know they have never been run low and never been repaired.
Heck I did a few mniles with 9psi in one of my rear tyres without realising. I took it stright in and had BOTH rear tyres replaced!

Which is another thing!
Two different tyres on one axle - You turn into a corner, one wheel might have loads of grip, the other may have none. You WILL spin!
People who put the best tyres on the front, surley understeer is better than oversteer? My best tyres are ALWAYS on the rear!

And when I bought my 406, I had 4 new tyres put straight on it and the suspension given a good look over. Which is why I ended up having the inner sill patched up and new bushes on the rear end.

At the end of the day that bit of rubber only has the same contact with the floor as your foot. I wouldn't cheap out on it.

[ally406]

I can't see what's wrong with a decent part worn tyre Provided you have checked it over and it's in decent condition? Things like impact damage, under/over inflation etc are all pretty obvious looking at the thing.

Why is understeer better than oversteer? Understeer easily translates into oversteer, particuarly when your average driver will lift off the throttle attempting to correct it. If you have grip at the front oversteer is fairly easy to correct, and understeer is less of a possibility. Stopping distance is more of a worry in day to day driving, and obviously the better the tyre at the front, then the shorter your stopping distance. The front takes 90% of the braking effort.

In an ideal world, you should be rotating your tyres every few thousand so that wear remains reasonably even (and you don't end up with ancient tyres at the back).

Have you had any lessons or experience on track or at a skid pan?

[OdinEidolon]

Why is understeer better than oversteer? Understeer easily translates into oversteer, particuarly when your average driver will lift off the throttle attempting to correct it. If you have grip at the front oversteer is fairly easy to correct, and understeer is less of a possibility. Stopping distance is more of a worry in day to day driving, and obviously the better the tyre at the front, then the shorter your stopping distance. The front takes 90% of the braking effort.

In an ideal world, you should be rotating your tyres every few thousand so that wear remains reasonably even (and you don't end up with ancient tyres at the back).

Have you had any lessons or experience on track or at a skid pan?

I can't grasp what this has to do with a winter tyres thread.

[lozz]

Why is understeer better than oversteer? Understeer easily translates into oversteer, particuarly when your average driver will lift off the throttle attempting to correct it. If you have grip at the front oversteer is fairly easy to correct, and understeer is less of a possibility. Stopping distance is more of a worry in day to day driving, and obviously the better the tyre at the front, then the shorter your stopping distance. The front takes 90% of the braking effort.

In an ideal world, you should be rotating your tyres every few thousand so that wear remains reasonably even (and you don't end up with ancient tyres at the back).

Have you had any lessons or experience on track or at a skid pan?

I can't grasp what this has to do with a winter tyres thread.

same with most threads on here mate,
one subject turns into another iwouid of thought youda noticed that by now?



everyone goes off topic on here , Iguess you dont huh ?

[lozz]

Bailes im glad you can afford expensive tyres mate,
thats a good thing,

but maybe theyre not so good as you say,
alot of your threads mention, curbed buckled wheels suspension damage, your posh expensive tyres didnt help you out there eh


lozz passes soap box back to bailes

[lozz]

Edit: double post, internet lag.
bad dial up conection,.
cheap fake iphones no good

[FarmerPug]

i can't afford to change the tyres that often, there is a pair of pirellis i got new on the front £120, the rear is scrapyard specials £30

[Bailes1992]

Bailes im glad you can afford expensive tyres mate,
thats a good thing,

but maybe theyre not so good as you say,
alot of your threads mention, curbed buckled wheels suspension damage, your posh expensive tyres didnt help you out there eh


lozz passes soap box back to bailes

If you can't afford decent tyres then you shouldn't have your car on the road in my opinion. Even if it's budgets or cheaper mid range like mine are.
£50 a wheel, good mid range Falked Ziex 912.
I always have the best tyres on the rear, When the fronts get down to ~2mm I get them replaced and put on the rear and move the rears forward.
I usuallly get 10k on the back before being moved to the front where I get another 10k on the front.

So I get 20k out of each tyre. Not bad I don't think?
Thats 0.0025p per mile per tyre?

And why would good tyres stop having buckled wheels and suspension damage?
And just so you know, my whole front suspension has been rebuilt as I wasen't happy with it.
So I don't know where your comming from with that argument?

[lozz]

Cheaky %$&? ,

your mum dad funds you to keep your car on the road
ihave to graft. and pay extoriante insurance premiums,

wait till your mum and dad flings you out the nest and you will understand why people save on a few things like tyres
you wouidnt know what council tax and bills are wouid you,

[OdinEidolon]

Calm down.
I agree good tyres are the best bet.
Less than a year ago I spinned with my mum's Clio. It wasn't a very fast corner, nor I was in a hurry or something, my speed was pretty normal. I found some dirty spot on the road and the rear completely off it went, managed to keep the things in my lane but had a friendly encounter with the guard rail. 3300€ worth of damage (the Clio's fairly new and we found no piece from any scrapper in 200km radius).
I bet the same money i wouldn't have spinned if the car was fitted with decent tyres, it had cheapos my mum had because they were the last set the tyre fitter had and it was gonna snow the week later.
I learned my lesson and last time I saved on everything else and got the Goodyears I now have. They are utterly brilliant.

[Bailes1992]

Cheaky %$&? ,

your mum dad funds you to keep your car on the road
ihave to graft. and pay extoriante insurance premiums,

wait till your mum and dad flings you out the nest and you will understand why people save on a few things like tyres
you wouidnt know what council tax and bills are wouid you,

You what

I do work... and I do pay for my own car. Thanks.
I spent weeks doing as much hours as I could, spent £480 having my whole front suspension replaced and the steering rack, driveshafts and wheel bearings.

I was given the car, paid for everything to be sorted out.
Some times I went 4-5 weeks without driving the car as I had to save to get it sorted.
Currently in a full time apprentaship and spending most my wage on petrol but I make sure I put money away every week simply for tyres, maintenence, repairs etc etc.
After all my cars my toolbox, without my car I can't get to work. Skimping on parts on a car which does 100 miles (just moved site and got it down to 40mile thank god!) a day up and down the motorway every day would be stupid, and to skimp on tyres is just idiotic.