I want to ask but I don't.........

[jonsowman]

I don't **think** so! All standard and normal.......

Thanks for that Jon!

You'd know if they were - they've got BREMBO in massive letters across the calipers (which is half the point - right?).

Thought I'd better check since it's a somewhat common upgrade for the 2.2 HDis, and the discs are larger (305mm)

[GingerMagic]

I was looking at Sonias pictures ( no, not the mucky ones.. ) and Pugster has standard alloys same as Doggy's, so no Brembos there.....

[jonsowman]

I was looking at Sonias pictures ( no, not the mucky ones.. ) and Pugster has standard alloys same as Doggy's, so no Brembos there.....

Ah of course, forgot that Brembos don't fit under the standard alloys

[Sonia406]

I was looking at Sonias pictures ( no, not the mucky ones.. ) and Pugster has standard alloys same as Doggy's, so no Brembos there.....

Bloody hell, Don't imply I've sent dirty pictures lol!

Didn't know that they don't fit under the usual alloys... To be completely honest I've not had a close inspection of the car.... Not really!


Must admit Dave said I've got the same alloys as Doggy, wonder if just the execs came with these? What are these called? I want to follow GM's footsteps and get some challengers now lol.

[jonsowman]

Yeah our HDi Exec estate has the same ones. I believe they're officially called "Corails"

[grasmere59]

Unless you get the last of the line Exec's and you get Hoggars.

[GingerMagic]

Nah, Corails are the same size as yours, 15" but common on most 406s - they have the big centre cap. Later 406s do have have Hoggars and Nimrods, 16".

I still don't know the name of your alloys.

Brembos won't fit standard alloys as the calipers are wider and would hit the wheels.

My Challengers are now off and Hoggars are back on, although now refurbished..

[rwb]

Thems 'tubby wheels' and they take 205/60 r15

[highlander]

Back when we had the Pug406.com wiki (seems to be dead now), I had a page up about the various alloy wheel options Peugeot made available on the 406. These ones didn't seem to have a name like the other wheels do, but I've found them listed alternately on various websites and Peugeot documents as "V6", "Turbo", or "Executive".

Personally I prefer the Hoggars or the Corails; not too keen on this style.

[dirtydirtydiesel]

If its any use i still have the front hubs off that hdi 90 i broke during the summer, the brakes on it worked alright i can take the disks and pads off if they are of any use.

I guess they are compatible? How much are you selling them for? I'm interested definitely, any idea how much is left on the pads?

@ Sonia don't order/buy any rear pad's

ive just got some Ebc ultimax ones for ya,.

How did you do that? Do you have magical powers that be? How much do you want for these? What's ecb stand for too?

Thanks guys

Sonia, European brake company
Best of luck luv, if it were me I'd rather run the risk of no TOM than a Blind one you won't get done for a car without one just a seven day rectfication notice.
That's not saying that I'd advise eather or condone it , sorry for the spelling I've had a few bourbon's ( not the biscit's ) .
B.T.W , Hope you have a merry christmas DDD.

[dirtydirtydiesel]

At the moment, all disks and pads need replacing

The discs and pads are exactly the same on the 2.0 petrol as they are on the 2.2 HDi, as far as I understand it. If the discs and pads on Miss Pug are still legal, plenty of meat on 'em, swap them over with those on Pugster. This buys you some time.

handbrake is temperamental, sometimes it will hold, sometimes it needs adjusting and sometimes its seizing on even in motion.

Standard 406 fare, this one. The original design is a bit crap. You will probably find it needs a set of brake shoes, or that some kind of spring or tensioner inside the handbrake drum (inside the "bell" part of the rear discs) needs replaced. Possibly a handbrake cable. Any local independent garage should be able to fix this one up without it costing the earth.

Anyway, you'd never leave a 406 parked on a hill with only the handbrake keeping it in place; you'd leave it in gear and with the wheels pointing towards the kerb. That's just because the 406 handbrake design is crap. It's not so bad on the cars that only had rear drum brakes, like my old 1.8 saloon. The ones that have rear discs are the problem.

At the end of the day right, it's not as if I am saying I won't be doing the jobs - it just buys me some time to get it up there but by doing the brakes first, to ensure on the journey up there - I can stop.

We know you won't avoid getting it fixed properly. It's just that if something does go very horribly wrong between receiving your dodgy cerificate and the time at which you were planning on doing this, you wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. I.E. if you needed to slam on the brakes, and either nothing happened at all, or the car took far too long to stop.

Many people are driving around illegal cars anyway, ones who have de-catted, and even those who have (like myself) removed the DPF.
Just because the canister is there, legally they both should have the filters in....

This is poor justification. I'd like to think no MOT person would certify a car if it wasn't safe to drive, but the idea that an MOT person might bend the air pollution or noise pollution rules a little isn't so bad. Unfortunately, with this thread, I realise that some MOT persons would certify a car despite it being unsafe to drive. You've got brake trouble, not performance problems. Therefore the concern is safety, for you, your family, and for other road users.

The point is, we're not nagging you because we're goody-two-shoes people that never set a foot wrong. We're nagging you about it because you could get into a lot of trouble or have a very serious accident, and have no legal recourse and possibly even a lengthy hospital stay as a result.

I know you've got money issues, I sympethise, I really do - I'm not loaded either, and this is the worst time of year for parents' cashflow. But you can likely get away with using part-worn discs and pads that you already own, and don't need to cut this kind of corner. The financial ruin you might suffer if you get caught out makes this a really bad idea - it's not worth doing; please don't do it!

*** as an aside - if anyone on these forums are scrapping a 406 at the moment, you could see if the discs, pads, calipers, ABS sensors, etc. are all still available - that might help you out there?

EDIT: Floody is breaking a 110 HDi over on the For Sale / Wanted section. Not sure if the brake discs, pads, rear wheel hubs, etc. are still there and in usable condition? That's if the similar gear on Miss Pug is unsuitable, or you don't want to remove any stuff from Miss Pug.

Highlander,
Whilst I completly concure with you on the subject of doggy brake's. I also thought that with the new computer based systems that this loophole had been forced out due to the fact that the person responsable for the TOM was traceable, just a thought .
Finaly I have to take issue with you on disc brake hand brake models, if they are in good condition & correctly adjusted then they are as good as any other

[davew]

i agree with the handbrake, my disc braked 406 will lock the wheels if i pull the handbrake on when driving, if everything is in good order they work perfectly well.

[lozz]

If its any use i still have the front hubs off that hdi 90 i broke during the summer, the brakes on it worked alright i can take the disks and pads off if they are of any use.

I guess they are compatible? How much are you selling them for? I'm interested definitely, any idea how much is left on the pads?

@ Sonia don't order/buy any rear pad's

ive just got some Ebc ultimax ones for ya,.

How did you do that? Do you have magical powers that be? How much do you want for these? What's ecb stand for too?

Thanks guys

Sonia, European brake company


see link, http://www.part-box.com/products.php?br ... ebc-brakes

[Sonia406]

If its any use i still have the front hubs off that hdi 90 i broke during the summer, the brakes on it worked alright i can take the disks and pads off if they are of any use.

I guess they are compatible? How much are you selling them for? I'm interested definitely, any idea how much is left on the pads?

@ Sonia don't order/buy any rear pad's

ive just got some Ebc ultimax ones for ya,.

How did you do that? Do you have magical powers that be? How much do you want for these? What's ecb stand for too?

Thanks guys

Sonia, European brake company
Best of luck luv, if it were me I'd rather run the risk of no TOM than a Blind one you won't get done for a car without one just a seven day rectfication notice.
That's not saying that I'd advise eather or condone it , sorry for the spelling I've had a few bourbon's ( not the biscit's ) .
B.T.W , Hope you have a merry christmas DDD.

Thank you DDD, you too! Have a very very Merry Christmas (have a couple for me) and I hope you have a very Happy New Year too!
Hopefully if you're not too busy and in the UK you can come to the meets next year?

Regarding my alloys: I think they share a resemblance to Miss Pugs hubs - and I hate those too. So yes, I hate these alloys and want some different ones...

GM, let me know if you're selling the challengers

[highlander]

i agree with the handbrake, my disc braked 406 will lock the wheels if i pull the handbrake on when driving, if everything is in good order they work perfectly well.

I'm not alone in saying this; it's a very common complaint about the handbrake setup of the 406, whether it's a saloon, estate, or Coupe, and regardless of age.

In my experience, the drum setup on the 1.8 was solid and never went wrong. The drum-in-disc setup on my Coupe - sure, the garages can all sort it so that it works fine - for all of about a month or two. The rest of the time, I absolutely need to have the handbrake lever pulled up as high as it'll go in order to prevent the car rolling away. I have had this car in a number of different garages to try and get this fixed, and the problem returns too quickly. Maybe all the cables have stretched over time and need replacing, or something. I don't know. Bloody cars.

I've had some scary moments, like when I've been in Glasgow; some of the side streets there are on some really serious hills, with the main roads cutting across them, meaning that if you're going up or down one of the side streets, you can get caught at the lights, and need to put your handbrake on. Once, I put the handbrake on, and it would not hold the car at all; I had to sit there with the footbrake on, and when the lights changed, in the time it took me to move my foot from the brake to the accelerator (not even a second), the car had rolled back really quick due to the steepness of the hill I was on. I was very glad there was nobody behind me or I'd have been exchanging insurance details. Same thing sometimes happens going up the ramp into a multistorey car park; if I have to wait for someone in front of me, and put the handbrake on, it doesn't always hold the car.

For some reason, it's not too bad right now, but the lever really does need to be pulled up high to keep the car still. The car is due in for a service in January anyway, so I'll get them to adjust the handbrake (again) and see how long it lasts for this time around.