406 driving revalation (warning hippy post)

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406 driving revalation (warning hippy post)

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I just sent this email to a friend this morning that wants to buy a 406HDi but was worried that she found it to be sluggish.


"It suddenly clicked this morning and I think I now understand how to drive a 406 properly.

1st gear is rubbish is the first understanding, it's too short to be of any use apart from initially pulling away.
2nd gear is also rubbish and too short full stop, good for slow moving traffic and that's about it.
3rd gear is useful for a bit of low-mid acceleration, again fairly short but the engine starts to provide useful power around then - Good for cruising at 30-40mph
4th gear is only any use really for cruising at 40-50mph and handy to stop the car having a four speed gearbox.
5th gear is good from about 60 all the way to the top.

The trouble with the HDi is it only has usable power between 1900rpm to 3000rpm, any lower than that and it struggles a bit, any higher than that and it's out of puff.
If you need to possibly accelerate and not be left dead in the water if the traffic speeds up then stay between 1900 and 2200rpm.
The turbo reaches full boost at just below 2000rpm.
It's not like you will suddenly lift off when you hit boost.... *Dreams of having the MR2 turbo back* but it will actually pull ok when on boost.
Oh and the turbo sounds pretty cool when spooling with the windows down ;)

That doesn't sound particularly good, but....
I found the HDi wants to cruise and it's exceptional at it.
Take it out of it's cruising territory and it starts to be hard work but if you do what it wants to do which is reach cruising revs at whatever velocity you see fit then it really will drive itself.
My 306 had to be driven, it had to be pushed, pulled and monitored with constant throttle adjustments, too much too fast, not enough and it starts to slow.
The HDi isn't like that, it wants to maintain a constant speed and once you reach the speed it's comfortable with the whole car changes - it becomes relaxed, serene and will happily maintain speed with next to no input from yourself.

I managed this morning to cruise at most speeds and learnt that there's no point in trying to drive the car and hammer up to cruising speed you have to just gently let it go the speed it wants and it will eventually get to the speed you want, you just won't notice.
Before you know it it's cruising happily along and you forget you are driving nearly.
Then when the car is cruising you pick up it's rhythm and start to handle the car how it wants to drive, roundabouts and corners are no problem at a decent speed when you tune into the car and understand what it wants.

This may sound like random hippy talk but most cars you can force to drive how you want them to drive and with a bit of give and take you become an extension of the car.
With the HDi if you fight with it it's not a lot of fun, it's not tameable but when you are in it's territory - God it's a damn good car to drive.



Quite a strange but pleasant experience this morning.

But enough of the hippy talk, it is a damn good car when you get to know it :) "
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Post by Welly »

:arrowu: Winner of the "I've sussed out the HDi the quickest ever since owning one" award 8)

Eric, you have got the HDi bang on there my friend.

There is absolutely no point in trying to push the thing. It just will not play, use the torque wisely through 1800-2800 ish and don't 'floor' the throttle.

I never go above 3000 I just let the engine haul itself upto it's own happy cruise.

I hate 1st gear, I *love* 2nd gear (you'll get used to it), and 3,4&5 are all usefull but below 3000 rpm.

My favourite is on the motorway in 5th between 80 and 95 MPH, it's right on it's power band, effortless 8)
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Sorry eric and welly but i am going to have to totally disagree with you :cheesy: :cheesy:
when i first bought my pug i drove it steadily for a couple of days to see if everything was
ok with it as i have with all my cars ... several of which have been diesels ... then i started
to drive it as i usually do ... not stupidly or like a boy racer but worked as i believe they should be...
the only thing i will give in to is 1st good for getting rolling... but 2nd nice acceleration :P (for a big
diesel estate) 3rd carry's on in much the same way :lol: 4th slight drop off but still pulling hard :D
5th another drop but can still tell its pulling well :D sedate driving is a pleasure too ... 1st then 2nd to
30 up miss 3rd put it into 4th around 32 till can do 40 then it sits in 5th...since the re map 1st gets it
rolling 2nd big grin :cheesy: 3rd oooh fookinhell :P :P 4th niceeeee :P 5th hello and goodbye 100 :shock: :P
sedate driving 32 and in 5th all the way to whatever it will do.... But then i suppose we all drive differently but
even before re map would never have considered 2nd 3rd and 4th as rubbish unless i was driving like
a grandad :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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puggy wrote:Sorry eric and welly but i am going to have to totally disagree with you :cheesy: :cheesy:
when i first bought my pug i drove it steadily for a couple of days to see if everything was
ok with it as i have with all my cars ... several of which have been diesels ... then i started
to drive it as i usually do ... not stupidly or like a boy racer but worked as i believe they should be...
the only thing i will give in to is 1st good for getting rolling... but 2nd nice acceleration :P (for a big
diesel estate) 3rd carry's on in much the same way :lol: 4th slight drop off but still pulling hard :D
5th another drop but can still tell its pulling well :D sedate driving is a pleasure too ... 1st then 2nd to
30 up miss 3rd put it into 4th around 32 till can do 40 then it sits in 5th...since the re map 1st gets it
rolling 2nd big grin :cheesy: 3rd oooh fookinhell :P :P 4th niceeeee :P 5th hello and goodbye 100 :shock: :P
sedate driving 32 and in 5th all the way to whatever it will do.... But then i suppose we all drive differently but
even before re map would never have considered 2nd 3rd and 4th as rubbish unless i was driving like
a grandad :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
By rubbish in the middle gears I mean the car just gets going and then runs out of revs so time to change again.
The gearing really seems to set for cruising at the most common speeds you'd want to cruise at in the 406.

I tried driving it like an economical petrol for 2 days and it was hard work and unrewarding.
I'm learning a diesel car and petrol car are worlds apart and designed for different driving styles not just speeds.

Gti-6
1st is good to 40mph.
2nd takes you to just over 60mph.
3rd pulls like a train through to around 90mph
4th takes you to 120.
5th to the end of the line and your license/ freedom.
6th is for motorway cruising.

But then it has 7200rpm to play with and doesn't come on cam or get going till 5k.
It's designed to be got by the scruff of the neck and throttled till your ears bleed from the revs and it loves it.
I'd often cruise at 5k so I was at the bottom of the powerband then let it stay in the top 2k for a bit.

Changing down when braking was very different as well in a petrol.
Drop down a cog or two for corners and jump up 3k-4k in revs... No problem in a petrol and still revs to spare to pull out of the bend.
Do that in the HDi and you are out through the windscreen and the car is overworked so useless for anymore acceleration.

I really find with mine anyway that is totally different from a petrol, not worse... Just as good in it's own way :)
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Compare the Mk.4 Golf TDi I drove a couple of years back. Great car, fantastic engine, but you REALLY had to work hard to keep it in the fun. Once you came off the boost you lost the ability to accelerate at all for about 3 weeks, so a sharpish start meant a lot of clutch plate grinding, gear changes had to be perfection, and toe-and-heel was a necessity if you wanted to accelerate away from a corner at all

It was a great car though, loads of fun :)
<steve_earwig> I think this forum is more about keeping our cars going with minimal outlay than giving our cars more reason to go bang
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I've never driven another diesel apart from my dads old 405 Non turbo - Utterly no power, ever... It's was horrible.
And the 306 diesel I learnt to drive in.

From what I can gather though most Ford, VAG and Vauxhall diesels are quicker and more responsive but not as economical as the 406.

But that's just what I've heard.

Oh actually I did drive an 04 Mondy diesel after being told they had some boosting fun and was utterly underwhelmed, but at the time I owned a 300ZX twin turbo that had proper boost so I wasn't in the "right place" when I drove it.
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you will get used to it eric ... your mind will accustom itself to the fact your are driving a
diesel and you will enjoy it more :P i had nearly 20yrs of getting out of an HGV truck and
driving home and it didn't matter what car i had they all felt like ferrari's after the truck :P :P
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puggy wrote:Sorry eric and welly etc etc
Puggy, we didn't mean just plod around taking our time you silly sausage.

We meant don't race the engine, there's no point. The engine's torque will do all the work for you and you must 'ride the torque wave man' :lol:
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Welton wrote:
The engine's torque will do all the work for you and you must 'ride the torque wave man' :lol:
:lol:

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Welly.
Hope you don't mind my new signature :D
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I thank yaw.
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oh i see welly :P yes you have a point and yes i do drive in grandad mode
at times (especially with passengers )and wait for the engine to build up... very
relaxing :D but i also like making the engine get there :cheesy: as i said we all
drive differently .... god forbid we were all the same we would have nothing to talk
about :P :P
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Post by xplosiv »

Hi,
From what I can gather though most Ford, VAG and Vauxhall diesels are quicker and more responsive than but not as economical as the 406.
The Vauxhall diesels are really sh*t and very slow (all of them) LOL – I remember driving one, You have to call down to the engine room and put a written request in before you can accelerate (accelerate is not the best word to use more like a very very very slow/unnoticeable change in speed)
The ford Diesel is the same as the HDi as Peugeot make it for them (the engine block anyway), the only difference is the electronics) , injectors etc all you get is 5 more bhp as the ford is rated at 115 unlike the 406 110. But the 406 may develop more torques i have no idea.

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Agree with you about the vauxhall xplosiv... when i was looking for an estate drove
the 2.0DTI it felt archaic also drove my mates passat that didn't seem to respond
too well either ....
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Post by Eric »

Fair enough, I'm no diesel expert and always avoided them like the plague before now so I probably am misinformed :)

I just heard the VAG engines were really good and responded very well to tuning.
I've got a couple of friends that have new Astra diesels and seem to like them.

But without driving them myself I don't know.
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