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Because you lot are a sensible mob I thought I'd ask for your help. The letter explains all but would like some hints where to improve it and how etc :)

Apple Sales International
Hollyhill Industrial Estate
Holyhill. Cork
Republic Of Ireland

08/06/10


Dear Sir or Madam

I regret that I have to write this letter to you, but I feel that my current 4th Generation iPod Nano is not fit for purpose. I originally bought the iPod on the 3rd December 2008 and in November 2009 it got replaced with a brand new one under warranty. Within 7 months the iPod Nano you sent me back in November 2009 has failed. You have refused to repair or replace it under warranty unless I buy the Protection pack which comes in at £25. The Serial Number for this iPod is 5K*************
The first iPod Nano which I had simply would not switch on after 11 months of minimal usage. I then proceeded to take my iPod to AT Computers which is situated in Cardiff, South Wales, who then took my iPod away for repair under warranty on the 30th October 2009. I then paid an excess of £5 to have the iPod posted back to my home address. I was told by the employee working at AT computers that I would hear something from Apple within 10 days of my iPod leaving their store, come the 19th November 2009 I decided to send an email to them as I had not heard back from them. On the 20th November 2009 I received a voicemail on my phone informing me that they had received my replacement iPod and ‘forgot’ to send it back to my home address. Within 2 to 3 days of this voicemail I received my replacement iPod. The replacement iPod turned up with damage to the bottom edge, but it worked so I didn’t chase the matter further.

Since I’ve had this replacement iPod I have had issues with the battery going dead after 1 hour of use after its been charging for a good 12 hours, once the batterys dead it has refused to charge up from a USB, so I then had to go out and purchase a wall charger as it kept happening. This I could persevere with as generally the iPod worked well. However when I was then listening to music end of April 2010 and the iPod just froze completely and would not restart even when I pressed and held the middle button and menu, it just got stuck on the Apple logo and the only way to get the iPod back on would be to let it run out of battery. I would then leave it on charge for a good 24 hours, but the same thing would keep happening, I would be able to listen to about 50 songs before the iPod froze and the cycle would start all over again.

Eventually I got iTunes to recognize my iPod so I performed a full system restore on the iPod and got it started and synchronized with my iTunes again. I then left the iPod for around 2-3 weeks without use. When I went to use it I found it had a flat battery which I expected. I then put the iPod on charge and as it started up it froze on the start-up screen. I then decided that another restore of my iPod was in order. This same issue has happened around 5 times and now I cannot get it to sync with iTunes or restore. This now means this 7 month old iPod is now an iPaperWeight. The iPod rarely starts and when it does it either tells me to connect to power and when it is connected to the power it simply freezes on the apple logo.

Today (08/06/10) I went to the Apple Retailer in the St.Davids shopping centre in Cardiff, South Wales and was told I had to make an appointment to see what the best solution could be for me however I couldn’t have an appointment until the following afternoon. I was unable to make the later appointment as I have other commitments with college and such, and also with the cost of travel back and forth Cardiff so I decided to go to another Apple Reseller in Cardiff. This was AT Computers where my iPod went last time when it broke. There I was told my iPod wasn’t covered under warranty as my warranty for my previous iPod ran out in January 2010, and I was asked to leave the store when I asked why my 7 month old iPod was not covered by a year warranty like most products you purchase. This suggests to me that you seem to think 7 months is a sufficient amount of time for an iPod to last. What AT Computers did give me was a telephone number for your Apple Care helpline, where I was then told if I wanted any technical support I would have to buy a £25 protection pack for my 7 month old iPod which had failed.

I would like to know why Apple as a company thinks 7 months is a sufficient amount of time for an iPod to last and why you think I should pay out of my own pocket to replace or repair my iPod. I feel like I’ve paid into a premium brand for a premium product and got rubbish. I would also like to inform you as a Trader by law you are legally obliged to help me with this product for up to 6 years. I have contacted trading standards with the issues raised in this letter and have been informed that under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 Section 14 any product has to be of Satisfactory Quality and of Satisfactory Durability. I personally think my iPod is not of Satisfactory Quality or Durability. I therefore believe that I should be entitled to a replacement like for like iPod weather new or refurbished.

If I do not have a reply to this letter within 28 days of you receiving it I assume the letter has been ignored and I will contact trading standards again to persue this claim further.

Yours Faithfully,



Samuel Bailey
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looks good
i would change the 28 days to 14
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Sounds pretty good to me :)

I would replace:
bailes1992 wrote:I would like to know why Apple as a company thinks 7 months is a sufficient amount of time for an iPod to last and why you think I should pay out of my own pocket to replace or repair my iPod. I feel like I’ve paid into a premium brand for a premium product and got rubbish. I would also like to inform you as a Trader by law you are legally obliged to help me with this product for up to 6 years. I have contacted trading standards with the issues raised in this letter and have been informed that under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 Section 14 any product has to be of Satisfactory Quality and of Satisfactory Durability. I personally think my iPod is not of Satisfactory Quality or Durability. I therefore believe that I should be entitled to a replacement like for like iPod weather new or refurbished.
with:

"It is obvious that this unit is not fit for purpose and I would be grateful to hear your response to this within 28 days before I pursue the matter with Trading Standards."

Actually that makes your final sentence redundant as well! Note that the spelling is "pursue", not "persue"!
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Thanks mate, hope I can get something as I love my iPod but unfortunatley I cannot afford to replace or repair my ipod and I dont see why I should have to!
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They'd surely sort you something out. Consider that they cost peanuts to manufacture compared to the sale price!
You've had a rough run of luck what with the car woes & this, hope it all gets sorted! :)
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In the first paragraph, replace "but I feel that my current 4th Generation iPod Nano is not fit for purpose" with "following repeated warranty repair and continued product failure with my 4th Generation iPod Nano I feel it is necessary."
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Seems a good letter, however i noticed a "weather" which should be "whether" near the bottom, might me worth a slow read to see if there's any more similar mistakes. Have to say i think Apple are bang out of order.
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Dear Sir or Madam

I regret that I have to write this letter to you, but following repeated warranty replacement and continued product failure with my 4th Generation iPod Nano I feel that it is not fit for purpose. I originally bought the iPod on the 3rd December 2008 and in November 2009 it got replaced with a brand new one under warranty. Within 7 months the iPod Nano you sent me back in November 2009 has failed. You have refused to repair or replace it under warranty unless I buy the Protection pack which comes in at £25. The Serial Number for this iPod is 5K93909U3QW.

The first iPod Nano which I had simply would not switch on after 11 months of minimal usage. I then proceeded to take my iPod to AT Computers which is situated in Cardiff, South Wales, who then took my iPod away for repair under warranty on the 30th October 2009. I then paid an excess of £5 to have the iPod posted back to my home address. I was told by the employee working at AT computers that I would hear something from Apple within 10 days of my iPod leaving their store, come the 19th November 2009 I decided to send an email to them as I had not heard back from them. On the 20th November 2009 I received a voicemail on my phone informing me that they had received my replacement iPod and ‘forgot’ to send it back to my home address. Within 2 to 3 days of this voicemail I received my replacement iPod. The replacement iPod turned up with damage to the bottom edge, but it worked so I didn’t chase the matter further.

Since I’ve had this replacement iPod I have had issues with the battery going dead after 1 hour of use after its been charging for a good 12 hours, once the batteries dead it has refused to charge up from a USB, so I then had to go out and purchase a wall charger as it kept happening. This I could persevere with as generally the iPod worked well. However when I was then listening to music end of April 2010 and the iPod just froze completely and would not restart even when I pressed and held the middle button and menu, it just got stuck on the Apple logo and the only way to get the iPod back on would be to let it run out of battery. I would then leave it on charge for a good 24 hours, but the same thing would keep happening, I would be able to listen to about 50 songs before the iPod froze and the cycle would start all over again.

Eventually I got iTunes to recognize my iPod so I performed a full system restore on the iPod and got it started and synchronized with my iTunes again. I then left the iPod for around 2-3 weeks without use. When I went to use it I found it had a flat battery which I expected. I then put the iPod on charge and as it started up it froze on the start-up screen. I then decided that another restore of my iPod was in order. This same issue has happened around 5 times and now I cannot get it to sync with iTunes or restore. This now means this 7 month old iPod is now an iPaperWeight. The iPod rarely starts and when it does it either tells me to connect to power and when it is connected to the power it simply freezes on the apple logo.

Today (08/06/10) I went to the Apple Retailer in the St.Davids shopping centre in Cardiff, South Wales and was told I had to make an appointment to see what the best solution could be for me however I couldn’t have an appointment until the following afternoon. I was unable to make the later appointment as I have other commitments with college and such, and also with the cost of travel back and forth Cardiff so I decided to go to another Apple Reseller in Cardiff. This was AT Computers where my iPod went last time when it broke. There I was told my iPod wasn’t covered under warranty as my warranty for my previous iPod ran out in January 2010, and I was asked to leave the store when I asked why my 7 month old iPod was not covered by a year warranty like most products you purchase. This suggests to me that you seem to think 7 months is a sufficient amount of time for an iPod to last. What AT Computers did give me was a telephone number for your Apple Care helpline, where I was then told if I wanted any technical support I would have to buy a £25 protection pack for my 7 month old iPod which had failed.

I would like to know why Apple as a company thinks 7 months is a sufficient amount of time for an iPod to last and why you think I should pay out of my own pocket to replace or repair my iPod. I feel like I’ve paid into a premium brand for a premium product and got rubbish. I would also like to inform you as a Trader by law you are legally obliged to help me with this product for up to 6 years. I have contacted trading standards with the issues raised in this letter and have been informed that under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 Section 14 any product has to be of Satisfactory Quality and of Satisfactory Durability. It is obvious that this unit is not fit for purpose. I therefore believe I am entitled to a replacement like for like iPod whether it be new or a refurbished unit. I would be great full to hear back from you within 14 days before I pursue this further with trading standards.
Updated :) I apreciate you lot reading such a large amount of text too so thanks :)
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I'm sure you've found the sale of goods act, they have 3 choices... Nice stinking letter btw :cheesy:

I could not hear it on a boat.
I did not, did not, with a goat.
I could not hear it in the rain.
I could not hear it on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I could not hear it in a box.
I could not hear it with a fox.
I did not hear it in a house.
I did not hear it with a mouse.
I do not hear it here or there.
I do not hear it ANYWHERE! :P
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Hi Bailes,

Should the address be :
Hollyhill Industrial Estate
Hollyhill. Cork

instead of :
Hollyhill Industrial Estate
Holyhill. Cork

A quick Google search says yes

and

batterys should be battery's
(second paragraph second line)

so strikes the apostrophe Nazi :P

and the very few other bits everyone else got to first,

its a cracking letter all told and proves that we do have some decent youngsters left that really did pay attention in school, unlike myself :oops:
now can we get back to Wankum?

Good letter mate, stick it to um :supafrisk:
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In terms of the Sale of Goods Act 1979, is there a relevant tribunal or body you could CC the email to? ;)
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in relation to what polski picked up on, does it have 1 battery or 2 batteries if its 1 then no plural is required if multiple then it ends in ies. As much as i hate to be a grammar nazi. :oops:
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de4mant wrote:in relation to what polski picked up on, does it have 1 battery or 2 batteries if its 1 then no plural is required if multiple then it ends in ies. As much as i hate to be a grammar nazi. :oops:
Unfortunately De4mant it's the contraction of the construction "battery is" not the plural form of "battery" giving "batteries" and therefore requires the apostrophe as a semantic indication of the removal of the letter "i" so " battery's " is correct,
if you read the letter and put the word and punctuation into context then all would have been clear to you.

Now there is no apology for being a Nazi this time :P

To justify my remarks, Im off to teach my first English class of the day in about 5 mins :P :P
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I am
You are
He is
She is
Shi...

Battery means a group of cells (think artillery battery), so it's plural already. Not that anyone cares :roll:
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:arrowu: :lol: now who is being the pedant:) sometimes its hard to keep the inner teacher inside eh wiggy. On another note so much for the alleged traffic jams due to flooding of the river in warsaw, im here over an hour early. Damn melodramatic poles!
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