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well that job was a non starter

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Recently bought some new glow plugs and good 2nd hand injectors to replace my 161,000 milers. Up early this morning, no hangover so I thought I'd go for it.

First two glow plugs I tried would not budge, I could feel the socket-wrench-extension combo twisting before anything moved :(

Sod it I thought, try the injectors instead. Starting with the battery end of the engine (number 4?) My 27mm socket wouldn't fit over the little stubs on the top of the injector (removed the spill pipe from one stub but didn't take the rubber blank of the other one) It does fit the new ones though :? . I suppose I could have prised of the blank but to be honest I was cold and wanted to go back in to the warm, no room in my garage see.

Any suggestions? I've read some where that having the engine warm helps, any one changed glow plugs on a warm engine.

Oh yeah, it's a R reg 1.9 TD with bosch pump.

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A hot engine is always best for doing glow plugs, the threads have expanded microscopically making them easier to remove.
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to remove injectores i used a short ring spanner think it was a push bike type spanner.

there is a special socket you can get from halfords for injectors but im sure i read somewhere that it doesnt clear the ears so check before buying.
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why are you changing the injectors mate ?

do you know there knackered ?

and glowplugs ? is car not starting on cold ?

if car is running ok i wouldnt touch any of them ... untill it really wont start ..
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how about something like this,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/11-ADJUSTABLE-280 ... 20b677ba2a



yup iknow its for a tap but ive used them for getting stubburn things off a car in the past :roll:
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lozz wrote:how about something like this,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/11-ADJUSTABLE-280 ... 20b677ba2a



yup iknow its for a tap but ive used them for getting stubburn things off a car in the past :roll:
dont think you get the jaw between the head and the injector.
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How about a strong ring spanner with a slot cut out of it then :idea:
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Gary406 wrote:why are you changing the injectors mate ?

do you know there knackered ?
Excessive diesel knock which lessens when the fuel pipe to the injector is loosened off as per haynes suggestion, on 2 of the 4 cylinders

Gary406 wrote:and glowplugs ? is car not starting on cold ?

if car is running ok i wouldnt touch any of them ... untill it really wont start ..
Car starts accompanied by a billowing cloud of white smoke for a while. Smelly, embarassing and not very nice for people in the vicinity.

I'd prefer to sort problems out in their early stages rather than wait till it's completely broke.
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White smoke is normaly caused by Water problems,
ican also be caused by Glow-plugs,not functioning properly on some dervs,
Fresh glow plugs might cure it,

What does it Run like once its got up to 90 on the temp, ?
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Water generally doesn't smell all that much. It does sound like you need to head for the glowplugs but I've got no experience of removing stuck ones - I've only changed them on a mate here's old Renault van heap thing and they were a doddle. I'm not sure about trying it on a hot engine either, the expanding thread thing does sound a bit counter-intuitive.

A swift Google later -
Method 1 - soak them with WD40 and leave them for a while (a few hours perhaps), use a close-fitting 6-point socket (a 12-point may round them off before they move), if they still won't budge try tightening them a little first.
Method 2 - remove cylinder head...

There's also this:
Beru, one of the GP manufacturers recommends the following:
1. Heat up: Run the engine until it is warm or apply current to the intact glow plug through a separate cable for 4-5 minutes - this heats up the glow plug and burns it free.
2. Release: Apply a generous quantity of anti-rust agent or multi-functional oil to the base of the thread and leave to work in for approx. 5 minutes.
3. Unscrew: Then start a new attempt to unscrew the plug and use suitable tools to release the glow plug from the cylinder head. (Do not exceed the maximum release torque – 8mm GP-20Nm (14 foot-pound), 10mm GP-35Nm (26 ft-lb), 12mm GP-45Nm (33 ft-lb). Make sure you stop before you reach the breakage torque, if necessary start a new attempt by applying heat.)
Again with the hot engine :? Hokay... I'm not sure about exceeding the maximum torque, if they're still stuck I think you have to go for broke, you'll end up removing the cylinder head anyway if you don't.

Most of the rest of them seem to be about removing glowplugs when the end has blown out, but you didn't even get to this yet. I guess if they do start moving turn them back and forwards, easing them up a little a time like you were cutting a new thread in them, rather than give them some welly.
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my car fires a puff of smoke out on 1st cold start .

its a diesel its what they do :D

put some vegetable oil in the tank. 20 litres . that will stop the smoking and do your engine a world o good 8)
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