Love/Hate

Just your normal general chatting in here..

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
mjb
Site Admin
Posts: 7983
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 9:06 pm
Location: Stoke

Love/Hate

Post by mjb »

This car confuses the hell out of me. One minute I love it and the other I just want to take a wrecking ball to it

So I *just* manage to get its aircon working before heading off to Germany, where it drives like a dream... until I get to German autobahn roadworks. These, for those that don't know, involve a 45mph drive through VERY narrow lanes with trucks to one side and a big concrete barrier to the left. So I put my seat in an upright position and raise it - or try to. The raising mechanism's stopped working!

Then once the traffic cleared I did a bit of a speed run. Maximum speed I could reach was 155mph on the GPS. My saloon was faster :evil:

But then I took it to the Nürburgring for a couple of laps in a thunderstorm (damn) and it was GOOD!!! It handled like a dream and I found I could easily get it oversteering and in perfectly controlled four wheel drifts round some of the slower corners, and the V6 got a chance to sing its heart out

Until I crashed it :oops:

On my last lap I hit some oil on the last corner. I was only doing about 80-90mph at lowish revs which was completely within mine and my cars limits on that corner, but I couldn't miss the huge pretty coloured patch on the tarmac which started a nice slow oversteer. Despite me planting my foot and steering into it I just couldn't stop the back end from overtaking me and went into a spin. Managed to catch it on the first rotation, but as I was about to nurse it closer to the line I hit the grass and the back end went straight into the armco and bounced the car around putting me into another spin in the opposite direction, which again I managed to catch on the first rotation. Drove onto the grass somewhere safe, booted the missus out with a high-vis and instructions to get over the barrier, and waited for the safety car to come round.

No damage to the armco, and I've just suffered a large crack in the bumper, chipped light cluster and some nasty denting to the side panel. Could have been worse! Want to get a permanent marker and write something witty next to it...

"I drove the Nürburgring and all I got was this lousy crack"
or
"Imagine how expensive this would be if this were a German car"

But it's not over yet! Oh no. While driving home from Frankfurt a few days later, the throttle jams open :shock: Got it to the side of the road, had a VERY cautious look as this was an unrestricted section of autobahn, and couldn't see what was happening. It just jammed when the throttle was open more than a few percent! I'd detached the cruise control arm with no effect so I decided to just let the accelerator cable adjuster out to the point where the pedal would barely tickle the throttle and limped to the next services

There I took the inlet pipe off so I could have a look at the inside and what did I find? A huge oval band of metal :shock: Obviously come from the air filter box. Imagine if that had made it to one of the cylinder heads!

Still, it made us miss our ferry by about 90 seconds despite some rather aggressive driving, so we had to sit around Dunkirk for a couple of hours waiting for the next one :evil:

Love/hate sums up my relationship with this car I think
<steve_earwig> I think this forum is more about keeping our cars going with minimal outlay than giving our cars more reason to go bang
User avatar
Bailes1992
Moderator
Posts: 4292
Joined: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:13 pm
Location: Bridgend, South Wales

Re: Love/Hate

Post by Bailes1992 »

In exactly the same position. I love driving my 406, it suprises me all the time. It takes all corners with ease but at the same time seems to roll more than michellen man but I get really down when something goes wrong with it. So it's going, as the Focus never seems to go wrong :lol: *hugs and oak tree*
2020 BMW 520d MSport Touring My Daily
2017 Dacia Logan MCV 1.5DCi Laureate Wifes
1996 Land Rover Defender 90 County SW 300TDi My Toy
2003 Ford Mondeo ST220 3.0 V6 My Other Toy
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: Love/Hate

Post by Doggy »

Let's see now, Englishman stuffs Italian designed French coop into German armco.....

You must be able to claim an EU subsidy for that lot!

Least you made it back almost unscathed, could've been worse. 8)
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
User avatar
mjb
Site Admin
Posts: 7983
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 9:06 pm
Location: Stoke

Re: Love/Hate

Post by mjb »

By the way... for the last 2 laps of the 'ring (26 miles), I reset the trip computer and managed to average an impressive 13.6mpg using Shell V-Power Racing (100 RON) :shock:

Wonder how low I'd have got it in the dry :lol:
<steve_earwig> I think this forum is more about keeping our cars going with minimal outlay than giving our cars more reason to go bang
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19813
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: Love/Hate

Post by steve_earwig »

mjb wrote:I was only doing about 80-90mph at lowish revs which was completely within mine and my cars limits on that corner...
Holey crap Matt :shock: :shock: :shock: That could have been so much worse! Glad you and the Mrs. are ok. I'd have been a gibbering wreck :oops:
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
User avatar
mjb
Site Admin
Posts: 7983
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 9:06 pm
Location: Stoke

Re: Love/Hate

Post by mjb »

steve_earwig wrote:
mjb wrote:I was only doing about 80-90mph at lowish revs which was completely within mine and my cars limits on that corner...
Holey crap Matt :shock: :shock: :shock: That could have been so much worse! Glad you and the Mrs. are ok. I'd have been a gibbering wreck :oops:
I always find when things go badly wrong like this spin or the times my bonnet's come up at speed, I'm perfectly calm and do what's needed. Guess it's just survival instinct...

Funny thing is the other half didn't panic either. She said it's because I was controlling it well and was calm :shock:

Didn't sleep much that night though. Just kept running through the corner in my mind - was I going in too fast? was I on the wrong line? could I have avoided the oil? Could I have stopped the spin or prevented the impact? Eventually I answered 'no' to everything and satisfied myself that there's nothing I could have done that I didn't do bar driving round the racetrack at 25mph... which would have gotten me black flagged...
<steve_earwig> I think this forum is more about keeping our cars going with minimal outlay than giving our cars more reason to go bang
User avatar
STALLED
The moderator down under
Posts: 1175
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:26 am
Location: Syd - Aus

Re: Love/Hate

Post by STALLED »

Dude - that sucks! Glad to hear that you and the other half are ok though!

Will the Coupe live on or is she knackered (ie: economic write off)...?
1997 406 D8 ST Manual 2.0L!

Image
User avatar
mjb
Site Admin
Posts: 7983
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 9:06 pm
Location: Stoke

Re: Love/Hate

Post by mjb »

STALLED wrote:Will the Coupe live on or is she knackered (ie: economic write off)...?
It'll be fairly cheap to fix it, so I'd be crazy to write it off given the work I've put into the car :lol:
<steve_earwig> I think this forum is more about keeping our cars going with minimal outlay than giving our cars more reason to go bang
User avatar
sirwiggum
3.0 24v
Posts: 3070
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:32 pm
Location: out in the Sticks, Northern Ireland
Contact:

Re: Love/Hate

Post by sirwiggum »

I've said it before, the handling for a big saloon is uncanny!

I feel more confident flinging the 406 about than I did the Alfa GTV :shock:

Though she does have her share of annoyances.
Got the radio sorted and came out this morning to find that it had rolled down the driveway into the front door step.
Prettier half is raging that it reversed itself into her flowerpots :shock:
Only got the handbrake worked on June time for the MOT, hopefully just needs tightening up.
1999 Honda Accord Coupe 2.0 Vtec Automatic
Previously 2002 406 HDi 90 Rapier Monaco Blue
Welly wrote:something to do with rubber/splits/bursts/flat/floppy etc
Image
User avatar
CountryPug
2.0 Turbo
Posts: 466
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:33 pm
Location: Northern Ireland

Re: Love/Hate

Post by CountryPug »

mjb wrote:No damage to the armco
Wow, you were lucky there! I read the rules of the ring one time and that stuff costs a fortune if they need to replace a section.
sirwiggum wrote:Only got the handbrake worked on June time for the MOT, hopefully just needs tightening up.
This does seem to be a characteristic of the 406. My handbrake was in A1 condition about 3 months ago, since then it has worked its way to inexistence :frown: although half an hours work would have it back working again so I can't be too annoyed at it.
Image
Present - 95' 405 GLX TD
Previous - 01' 406 LX HDi
User avatar
sirwiggum
3.0 24v
Posts: 3070
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:32 pm
Location: out in the Sticks, Northern Ireland
Contact:

Re: Love/Hate

Post by sirwiggum »

I'm just glad it held for the ferry last month, especially the P&O jetliner where most of the car spots are on inclines.

Had images of a wave knocking the 406 into the expensive shiny new cars behind me.
1999 Honda Accord Coupe 2.0 Vtec Automatic
Previously 2002 406 HDi 90 Rapier Monaco Blue
Welly wrote:something to do with rubber/splits/bursts/flat/floppy etc
Image
User avatar
Bailes1992
Moderator
Posts: 4292
Joined: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:13 pm
Location: Bridgend, South Wales

Re: Love/Hate

Post by Bailes1992 »

sirwiggum wrote:I'm just glad it held for the ferry last month, especially the P&O jetliner where most of the car spots are on inclines.

Had images of a wave knocking the 406 into the expensive shiny new cars behind me.
S'why you should park in gear :D
2020 BMW 520d MSport Touring My Daily
2017 Dacia Logan MCV 1.5DCi Laureate Wifes
1996 Land Rover Defender 90 County SW 300TDi My Toy
2003 Ford Mondeo ST220 3.0 V6 My Other Toy
teamster1975
Site Admin & Mad Biker!
Posts: 6277
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: Woking, Surrey

Re: Love/Hate

Post by teamster1975 »

Glad you're in one piece Matt and the damage isn't too bad.
Sounds like you had a bloody good time though despite the motoring woes! :)
1996 406 1.8LX Got a bad case of hydro lock!
1996 406 Executive 2.0 Turbo XU10J2TE No longer hangin' on in there :(
1997 Honda CB500V
2003 Volvo V40 1.8 GDi SE killed by a nutter in a beemer 5 series
2008 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi Titanium X

"Always look on the bright side of life, dedo, dedo dedodedo"
User avatar
Welly
The moderator formally known as Welton
Posts: 15033
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:52 pm
Location: East Midlandfordshire

Re: Love/Hate

Post by Welly »

That's the kind of mini-break that would see me down the divorce courts on the rapid :lol: Mrs Welly is THE most nervous passenger and even driving like a Chauffeur sends her into a panick :roll:

It was possibly the tyres that let the back end out too much?
Cars in my care:
2021 Kia Spottage 1.6 Pez Turbo Dual Clutch Gearbox Trickery
2013 Renner Twingo - donkey work
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19813
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: Love/Hate

Post by steve_earwig »

I've got one similar, I got some clonks from the back end this morning (still no idea what but it seems to have gone now :? ), I tried moving the wheel from side to side, just gently and at about 20mph but it was panic mode all over again. I think the only way I could get the mrs into a car on the 'ring would be unconscious.

Although she did say I was driving too slowly the other day :shock: :shock: :shock: I was driving very slowly though, mainly because I knew there were coppers about and I'm sick to death of being pulled over for pointless checks :evil: :evil:
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
Post Reply