Thinking Of Trading The D8 In For A D9 - Advice Needed

[gumby6371]

Hi all, After filling up with fuel last night I started doing a little mental arithmetic on how much my beloved car is costing me just going to work and ferrying kids about.

I must admit she does look her age and is no race car but she starts every time and has never left me stranded (apart from a snapped throttle cable which was rescued by a large cable tie holding the throttle open all the way home) so I really want to stay with a 406 but maybe a D9.

At the moment I'm averaging around 400 miles to a tank (approx 34mpg) and tax is just over £200 a year, I believe tax is around £125 on a HDI??? and mpg should be around the 50 mark???
Stop me if I'm way off here but by my reckoning I could save 450 to 500 a year on fuel and tax alone. That doesn't include the fact that a D9 would be newer and in theory have less wrong with it

Any thoughts? an idea of what a decent D9 HDI is going for? Not too bothered on spec as my GLX has lots of toys but they don't all work anyway.

[FarmerPug]

some will tell you to run it on veg oil. But i own a hdi and prefer it.
The worst it does is 40mpg, and it can do upwards of 50mpg if your nice to it, tax is cheap indeed just £125 a year, as long as mr cameron doesnt want to redecorate the house.
A 1999, 2000, 2001 hdi hasnt got the com2000 indicator stalks, or multiplex. But if it is multiplexed its not the end of the world, make sure everything works, if the indicator stalk is floppy budjet £150 for a replacement, i got it fitted and bought at that.
The HDI doesnt like bad diesel.
As for price from £250, to £2500. I have one of each the cheap one doesnt work, the other one does.

[Welly]

They're not all cheap on road tax, only the 2001+ ish cars( with an Air Dozer fitted) qualify for the lower rate, mine was a 1999 and cost £240.00?? a year.

I wouldn't go to a D9 in an effort to save money. I had a bad time with mine but it's not uncommon for fairly expensive repairs to crop up.

There's an in-tank lift pump (£150.00) the bottom pulley (£130.00) engine mount is very common (£200.00) the rear disc/drum combo can give trouble, the A/C is very prone to failed condensers, there's generally more to go wrong as the car ages.

The worst thing really is that you cannot guarantee getting a good'un in terms of performance and fuel economy. Mine would only manage 33mpg door-to-door in Winter and 37 in Summer. I'd just about be able to eek 50mpg on a long boring run. There does seam to be enormous differences between the best and worst of them - I think this is mostly connected with fuel pressure and injector condition.

If you're happy enough with your existing car and have already done stuff to it then I'd stick with it

[rwb]

If your D8 is a diesel then I'd stick with it (and investigateused veg oil).

For fuel savings it depends greatly on how many miles you do and under what conditions. If over 15k total and few short journeys then yes, you should see some serious savings.

For comparison: the D8 XUD I had averaged 46mpg doing two 150 mile trips every week (London to Birmingham).
My D9 HDi 90 averaged 60mpg on the same run, and continued to average 60 on my 30 mile commute when I changed job and moved, albeit with exceptionally careful driving.
Now I commute only 10 miles but I'm struggling to get 50. But such low milage I'm considering getting a V6 coupe or a 328 to have some fun for a change.

Yes, HDi 90 and HDi 110 are currently taxed at £125 (band F), which is an £80 saving. Cars registered after March 2001 are on the new bands system. All such 406s are multiplexed. Earlier than this will be £205.

As the car ages I reckon that the D9 with its electonics will be much more of a liability than the D8, but others disagree.

[sirwiggum]

Check the engine mounts. It should not judder under light acceleration.

Check the doors for rust, there seemed to be a bad batch.

It wont run on Veg Oil.

COM2000 issues not the end of the world. Source part for £150 and a couple of hours to replace.

More fiddly sensors than the XUD.

Other than that, not a bad car, Better looking grille IMHO than the D8.

[Doggy]

Not entirely true as regards sensors - D8's have THREE water temperature sensors for example, (1 for the fans, 1 for the gauge & 1 for the ecu), whereas multiplexed cars ony have one, used for all of the above.

My 2.2 Hdi is currently returning 43.5 mpg despite using a fair bit of oomph most days. It's £180 a year to tax - post 2001 90's & 110's are cheaper, more economical and eminently sensible.

[plod]

Well, last night, I almost put my D8 up for sale in favour of getting a D9

However, the car has broke down twice - both my fault - I ran it out of diesel pushing my luck

Apart from that, no trouble, doesn't use oil, doesn't use oil, and I doubt there is many D8's as well spec'd as mine with all the additions

Compared to selling it, and ending up with a possible dog

[Gary406]

my advice would be stick with 1.9 xud mate
you wont achevie 50MPG round town no chance not even in hdi .
34mpg is good for an old 1.9 diesel engine as well as it being ultra reliable (much more relaible than the Hdi)
well not more reliable. what i mean is as welly said much cheaper if things do go wrong.

and if you wanna save on fuel do what i do. buy vegtable oil from costco in 20 litre drums about 99p per litre

every 70 litres i buy i save £24 . thats £24 per full tank . i think my tank is 70 litres.
even if it isnt thats what i save on 70 litres.

70 litres of veg oil = £70.90
70 litres of diesel = £93 @ £1.33 per litre

so if you really want to save cash on fuel do it that way not the HDi way

you can even run it on used veg oil but you will need to get yourself a filter setup..
i just find using new veg oil is best for me no messing about just pour it into tank. yes you can mix regular diesel with it as well

it works fine i've had loads of veg oil in my car. yes you can pour it straight into tank now march is here and its warmer..

[craigtd]

dont know where you lot get your prices from but i do know one thing your getting ripped off, i've worked on pugs for years and D9's are shite and cost the earth when they go wrong,but so does any frogy diesel car realy, i still would never have one even if it was given to me for free,as when you come to sell them there worth nothing, i run a 406 executive 2.0 ltr turbo,R.reg (petrol) and on a long run i get 45mpg at 70-80mph, now show me a dirty diesel that will do that ? and one that is deprecaition free.

[highlander]

D9s aren't any more or less shite than any other 406 (or any other car, for that matter)

The old 1.8 petrol D9 saloon I have outside is utterly reliable. I've never had any kind of serious fault with it - the only niggly thing I've had was the passenger-side electric window crapped out and quit, but has since mystically restored itself (probably a dodgy switch).

My 2.2 petrol D9 Coupe is a bit less reliable, but I'm putting that down to lack of care by a previous owner. Most of its little niggles are sorted.

And talk of repairs being more expensive than other cars is a load of old crap too - my colleague has a Skoda Octavia and the costs for new parts on those is stupid. My other colleague runs a Jaguar X-Type (essentially a Mondeo) and the bills on that are horrendous too. Someone else I work with has a BMW 5-series he ended up selling because it broke down so much and each repair cost thousands. My brothers' Fiat Punto cost him a shed-load to maintain, and then he switched to a Seat Leon Cupra which he's spent just about as much on in repairs as he did on the outright purchase, and he STILL gets the engine management light coming up every few weeks.

A car is a car is a car - some work properly, some don't. Doesn't matter how old it is, or what badge is on the bonnet. Occasionally you just encounter an absolute lemon.

Me? I'd take a D9 over a D8 literally just because of the way they look. I know fine that either one could end up costing me a lot of money to repair, but then I bet BMW owners or VW owners say that about their preferred brand as well.

[omega]

d9 has more electrical issues and are more complicated but from what i hear when they good they very good but if you get a dog it can cost you[just read a few posts on here].
d8 are more simple but costs can be a bit higher but when your d9 breaks down and its off the road for a few days the costs soon balance out

[FarmerPug]

The com2000 is the only leccy issue i had that was costly.
The multiplex system has problems ,but its a certainty that someone else has had the same problem and its been fixed, most problems are the wiring connector in the footwell gets wet and corrodes, theres a bad connection and some functions go skewe whiff until its fixed. Ie the contacts cleaned
If you wire extra stuff up wrong, the same happens.
The other problem i had was the airbag light came on, loose connection under the seat, remove old connector, solder the wires together, job done no more problems.

[Gary406]

dont know where you lot get your prices from but i do know one thing your getting ripped off, i've worked on pugs for years and D9's are shite and cost the earth when they go wrong,but so does any frogy diesel car realy, i still would never have one even if it was given to me for free,as when you come to sell them there worth nothing, i run a 406 executive 2.0 ltr turbo,R.reg (petrol) and on a long run i get 45mpg at 70-80mph, now show me a dirty diesel that will do that ? and one that is deprecaition free.

sorry mate but

my XUD 1.9 flys over 45mpg on the motorway and thats a fact. 440 mile on £40 - no bullshit either. work it out. im sure thats over 50mpg
that was when diesel was £5 for a gallon tho but still today it will acheaive over 50mpg on a cruise

a 2.0 turbo petrol has no chance of doing what my xud does.

and what prices do you mean ?

depratiation free ? i paid £650 for my 406 2 years 3 month ago. and i would still get that today if not more

[FarmerPug]

depreciation eh?
the values of 406s are at the low point they are appreciating in value. Except perhaps mine because £2500 seems quite expensive for a 406 but it did have a full service history and 6 month dealer warranty. As well as being an exec with a mint interior.

[CountryPug]

My advice: Make sure your potential D9 doesn't have a dirty big hole in the bottom of it like mine