607 - when french electrics strike

[FarmerPug]

I recieved a call from a friend that they had a 605 that needed looked at, i was happy just to get a looksee about a 605. I was a bit dissapointed to see it was actually a 607 but at least the pp2000 would work.
The exterior styling of the 607 is a bit challenging, its a huge car yes but it doesnt look nice like the 406 does. Inside its massive though, and the interior is really what the 406 needs, the dash is still soft touch but its colour cordinated in this car it was cream so the dash matched the rest of the car, definatley a nice place to be in. The Window controls are the same as the 406 except its 1 touch all round. The doors feel solid in fact the whole build quality is very good. And the toys are nice, there is electric headrests, heated seats in the back, dual zone climate control and sat nav. And the indicator stalks on this 2003 model are not com2000.

But thats the good bits, this car shows how bad french electrics can be. One fault the best one said fault log journal full, ie it had too many faults, and because of the sat nav screen it means the car can shout all it wants at you. I got:
- abs/esp fault
- airbag fault
- antipollution fault
- clear diesel particulate filer
- RL stop light fault.
- battery low

a whole raft of faults, i plugged in the pp2000, which after a lot of searching was under the middle armrest who would have expected that.
anyhow this is the faults i need help with
- whats the chepest way to deal with the particle filter, its a 2.0 HDI not the 2.2, it cant rev past 3k revs, this things slow enough with just a 2.0 never mind one not working right/
- The airbag complains about a trigger fault whats that, is under the seat wires the same in the 607?
- what would cause the abs/esp fault the pp2000 wont recgonise it.
- engine coolant temperature sensor incorrect.

thats whats wrong, any help appreciated.
I wont touch a 607, im glad i have a 406, even the multiplex ones are in the stone ages compared to the 607.

[Doggy]

I got:
- abs/esp fault
- airbag fault
- antipollution fault
- clear diesel particulate filer
- RL stop light fault.
- battery low

a whole raft of faults, i plugged in the pp2000, which after a lot of searching was under the middle armrest who would have expected that.
anyhow this is the faults i need help with
- whats the chepest way to deal with the particle filter, its a 2.0 HDI not the 2.2, it cant rev past 3k revs, this things slow enough with just a 2.0 never mind one not working right/

You could try cleaning it out - see coupe forum for Howto - but if it's really a sensor issue it won't stay fixed.
You could pay the stealers £700 ish to sort it.
Or, if you can get a copy of the engine ecu file, (with a Galletto 1260, or similar), de-fap the file using EcuSafe - I can do this for you - download the modified file, if all works OK, bash out the FAP. Job jobbed.

- The airbag complains about a trigger fault whats that, is under the seat wires the same in the 607?

probably

- what would cause the abs/esp fault the pp2000 wont recgonise it.

The 607's probably newer than your PP2000 clone

- engine coolant temperature sensor incorrect.

don't know - try clearing, see if it comes back, unplug/re-plug a few times, reset again. If all else fails, swap it.

NB these are suggestions I've never touched a 607 - just guessing it'll behave like a 406.

Please consider the potential consequences before involving yourself in sorting it.

[FarmerPug]

Ive just told the owner (who is a woman) where to take it, and her options with the FAP.
Its a lovely car inside, the doors really have very impressive seals on them, but with all the extra wheight was peugeot mad when they decided to fit the same already underpowered 110bhp engine to the 607 out of the 406. I drove the thing and it was very slow.

[sirwiggum]

When I sold the 406, I had a test drive in a C5 exclusive Auto 2.2 HDi.

Came up with all sorts of errors similar to those you listed, plus the suspension picture kept coming up with a STOP sign when stopped at a junction.

Gave it the benefit of the doubt as it had been sitting.
Kinda glad now he didn't take my cash offer. Those wee messages are an absolute melt.

[FarmerPug]

the main problem is that most of the problems are stuff you could live with without knowing about them, such as a defective airbag, or blown bulb in the boot. But the 607 has a big sat nav display, and a dot matrix jobbie in the instrument cluster and a bleeper to constantly remind you of its issues.
And the engine compartment is very covered, as if they dont want you looking round it..

[sirwiggum]

That C5 had tyre pressure sensors errors and the like. The kind of thing if it was logged in the ECU wouldn't make much of a difference.

But it was the same, display in the middle of the dash up by the windscreen for all to see. Similar to the D9 display but more errors shown.

[FarmerPug]

The d9 display is from the stone age compared to the 607.
Its a shame though its a lovely car to sit inside, it feels very well made, and if they put the 406 face on it it wouldnt be such an odd looking car.

[sirwiggum]

Always thought it would have been more elegant if it weren't for the pointy lights.

Same as Alfas current direction, stunning cars like the 159 and Brera, and now they have googly lights on everything.

The Honda LCD display is a step down even from the D9, a small display with room for the temperature, the words "FULL, AUTO, A/C, OFF" and a small icon that shows up either the feet, face or both ventilation.
No MPG trip display that I can find. Probably for the best though

[FarmerPug]

I like the type c display for the 406 if its working right its good for the 2 trip computers ie the trip computer records 2 trips at once, and you can see both the current mpg and distance to empty in one screen.
Distance to empty is the most useful feature of the trip computer.

[sirwiggum]

I like the type c display for the 406 if its working right its good for the 2 trip computers ie the trip computer records 2 trips at once, and you can see both the current mpg and distance to empty in one screen.
Distance to empty is the most useful feature of the trip computer.

Distance to empty used to be the only one that I would use on mine. Especially useful on a trip round England. Seemed to jump in chunks though, 350 -> 240 -> 170 -> 110 etc.
Could do with that on the current car.

[Doggy]

An economical 110bhp 2.0 HDi was introduced in 2001, which copes valiantly trying to balance decent performance with the weight of this large saloon. This was later upgraded to a new 2.0 HDi with 136bhp, which effectively replaced manual versions of the earlier 2.2 HDi.

[FarmerPug]

this is definatley a 110, which is down on power it made my 406 feel like a rocket.
But i can see that the 607 is some sort of big soft 5 series , and the 406 was a sharp cool looking 3 series rival.

[mjb]

Urgh. That's not how to use car diagnostics equipment. That's what dealers do, and try to "fix" every logged fault which ends up with a 5-figure repair bill for stuff that didn't need touching

1. Reset car (unplug battery, reset BSI, etc)
2. Clear all faults
3. Drive
4. See what's logged by the actual faults that are happening now instead of by someone running the car in gear while in the air (ABS/ESP faults) ten years ago, or someone moving the drivers seat last time it was sold three years ago (airbag faults), or by a battery dying 5 years ago (er, EVERY FAULT UNDER THE SUN!)

[FarmerPug]

I knew about the intermittent faults, hence why the fault log was full, i cleared the fault codes and just told the woman the permanent stuff. the airbag, FAP, abs, and the brake light.
The FAP will be a defap, the airbag im not sure because the ecu is complaining, the ABS would that be the ring on the wheel that does the sensing. and the brake light should be just a bulb.
I should have done what the dealer does charge £70 just to describe the faults, i told the woman dont worry when she asked how much she wanted (as you do), but got £20.

[eoin27]

Ok, I have worked on 607's before and would you believe they arent as bad with electrics as you may think. You just need to know what to look for.

I think this problem may be solved quite easily before you go ripping wires or your hair out. In the boot there is a secondary battery that controls all the auxilary fucntions while the engine is off. When this battery starts to die, you can get an array of electric issues. Some of these issues include central locking failure, airbag warnings, abs/braking faults, ESP/ASR faults. With my dads car, I was on the verge of getting rid of it before I tried replacing the battery and every single electrical issue was gone once the battery was replaced and she runs as good as ever. If you want to try the battery, let me know and I'll give you more tips.

My opinion on the 607...some truths

Pre-facelift models do not look that handsome anymore.
It size is still breathtaking! 4902mm
Anything smaller than the Peugeot 17" alloys (available on the top models) looks ridiculous.
It is the smoothest motorway cruiser you will ever drive. The 406 doesnt compare
It has soft, squishy seats that make you feel like you're in an armchair.
The SE spec is brilliant; from electric rear sunblind to heated rear seats to the 12 speaker JBL audio setup
Only acceptable engines in the early models are the 2.2HDi and the 2.2 Petrol. The V6 too of course!
The 110bhp "406" engine should never have been put in this car!
Manual gearchange is quite poor. This car should be an Auto where possible.
Handling is deceptively good with 225 tyres, it really holds the road.
It is the greatest executive saloon car of its time!