Electric Wing Mirrors

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Electric Wing Mirrors

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Ok, so I've got a d8 petrol turbo exec with the electric mirrors that work alongside the memory seats.

Everytime I turn the key clockwise- from S1 -> 2 or 2 -> ignition the mirrors move.
Passenger's side isn't such an issue- it seems to do a small loop and return to where it belongs however the drivers' side... I'm tempted to film it and post it on youtube to be honest-
It makes a hell of a sound and works double time trying to force the mirror to fall off by pushing either up or down further than it will go at 5 times the speed it operates at from the control button.

I've tried using the d-pad and selector internally to overpower it but to no avail- and it will continue until it's done regardless of the position of the key once it's started.
Once it's finished; choosing 1 or 2 on the memory will sometimes make it move- but not back to the original position or even a useful one... Many-a-times this has caused me to begin pulling out and only realise when it's nearly too late to spot a car coming (due to the SUPERB sound system and insulation :D!) Needs to be addressed really- but I understand very little about what it's actually doing and don't want to tear the wing mirror apart through fear of damaging it beyond usability. So for now I have to sit with my finger on the d-pad for ages everytime I fire her up :roll:

I want to get on top of this ASAP folks- any assistance would be extremely deserving of a pint if you're in South-East England ;)
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The mirror position is stored with the position of the seats, hence when you press the seat memory preset it resets the mirror positions.
It's possible that the mirror motor is getting tired, they come up on ebay from time to time. Either that or the sensors are dirty and need a clean; they are little copper prongs that move along a track from memory, it's been a while since I stripped mine down!
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I was about to say sensors in the mirror
Sounds like they can't ascertain correct position

Either strip mirror down, or get another off a scrapper
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plod wrote:Either strip mirror down, or get another off a scrapper
If you do it has to be an exec, the other models have different motor modules without the sensors.
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plod wrote:I was about to say sensors in the mirror
Sounds like they can't ascertain correct position

Either strip mirror down, or get another off a scrapper
I'll give it a go, strip it down and spray it with carb cleaner, any tips on getting the mirror apart, its not as obvious as my girlfriends Rover 200 mirrors!
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I think this might be the closest you'll get: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12652#p115163
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steve_earwig wrote:I think this might be the closest you'll get: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12652#p115163
I'll use it as a rough guide and document my findings/progress with the issues in a how to? Or will i be wasting my time?
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Doesn't that rather depend on how much time you have? Or do you mean the how to? You could just point out any differences...
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steve_earwig wrote:Doesn't that rather depend on how much time you have? Or do you mean the how to? You could just point out any differences...
The how to- just wondered if there's any interest in fairly niche repairs?
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Okay, So I didn't actually find what I was looking for when I dismantled the driver's side wing mirror of my 406, but whatever it was that I did resolved the above issue of the mirror dancing and malfunctioning.
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> To get the mirror off and apart was simple… but I made a surprisingly convincing meal out of it.
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> Requirements:
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> -          35-45 minutes maximum
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> -          A flat head screwdriver- big or small will do- small for minimum markages
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> -          A torx t15 screwdriver/attachment
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> -          Some rag/cloth (I used a hoody I wear when changing wheels :D)
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Firstly- Open driver’s side door, window completely down and pry the interior panel off of the window corner by prying from the top- then from the bottom (using the padding as leverage- careful not to mark it with a screwdriver. Finally pop the 2 plastic plugs off- one of the padding one of the metal- exposing 3 torx screws which I seem to remember were T15s.

Secondly- drape a jumper/rag around the area on the door- where the mirror will fall down to after you pull it out so that you can hold the mirror against the door with your belly; I found that undoing the wiring clip required 2 hands- so this prevents any mishaps involving paint and the metal parts of the mirror!

Second-&-A-Half-ly- I did remove a plate from the bottom of the wingmirror- I don’t actually remember if it was necessary- removal and replacement is easy- just small screwdriver in the gaps and away she comes.

Thirdly- Once the mirror is off- “close” the mirror- as to expose the back panel completely- so it isn’t covered by the door’s half of the assembly. Get a flat-head prying tool and look carefully as you pop to 2 seat-belt-like hooks at the bottom- work your way round to the front and use a screwdriver tactfully to pry the case off towards what would be the front of the car

Fourthly- remove the 2 connectors from the back of the mirror- for what I assume is the heated wing-mirror element. Use a drill bit/flat headed screw drive to pull the metallic ring from around the mirror motor enclosure behind the mirror- as you pull these loops- you should hear a click as the slack reduces and the strip “pops” out of the retainer at the bottom. The mirror should come off with little to moderate effort and some slight knocking/twisting if it was anything like mine.

Fifthly- Dust/blow/wipe any residue, dust, fluff and crud from within any of the assembly; and wipe the seal/gasket around the motor enclosure of its accumulated gack.

Sixthly- pull back the seal around the motor and wipe the area it was shielding thorough (I didn’t use any chemicals of equipment for any of this job), take a firm grip on the back of the wing mirror and palm the motor enclosure up, down, left and right- Mine felt quite reluctant and stiff, but loosened up within a few reciprocations. Reposition the gasket.

Seventhly- I didn’t feel it necessary to remove the electric motors, housing or cables- as it didn’t look as if it would grant access to any of serviceable components electric motors themselves still looked part’s shelf clean and fresh along with the gears, I did how pull the connector out and give it a good blow to remove any dust. I then took the mirror clips- and pulled them in so that the strip was fastened and exposed on the inner corners- like it would have been before I pulled it off- after a lot of messing around trying to put it on un-fastened and pull it tight with a drill piece!- I realized that the housing was barbed/ratcheted/however you want to say it- so you just tighten it, line it up and push until it clicks!

Finally- put all the connector back within the mirror- reattach the case do the reverse of the 2 and a half steps.

The mirror stopped malfunctioning after I started the car up! (the battery was nearly K.O.ed- left the head lights on the whole time because I was working in dusk) :D
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