406 Vs 407 Discuss

[gumby6371]

i know it's a bit of a mute point with a few members over the styling of the 407 but looking on auto trader there isn't a great deal of price difference between 407's and similar mileage 406's. presuming both have DMF's and therefore the same potential problem there what other reason is there to avoid them as the look is kind of growing on me, especially the SE in black.
Also you get more power for similar insurance/tax/running costs.

a 136bhp se sw in black would be on my wish list

(if the lottery comes up tonight I'd rather ask pug for a pre-production HX1 tho!!!!)

[Bailes1992]

I've had a look at the 1.6 HDi SE's and they look a great car and I'd have no problem affording one...

BUT theres too many common electrical niggles, turbo issues, DMF's, DPF's and then theres the fact they need new ball joints every 20,000miles.

The 406 seems to be the last breed of nice executive saloons in which you can avoid big bills.
Lets look at the competition...
Ford Mondeo TDDi - Fuel pumps REGULARLY fail (£700-£1000)
Ford Mondeo TDCi - Injectors fail (£400-£1500)
Peugeot 407 - DMF's, DPF's, Ball joints etc
Citreon C5 - Abit Ghastley, although the new one is nice but out of my price range.

I understand the 406 in 2.2 guise has a FAP but they are cheap enough to get rid of.
Also in 2.0 110 guise you get a DMF but stories of them failing arew few and far between.
The crank pullys fail on the 2.0s but you get pleanty of notice and they are cheap ewnough to replace.
Com2000 can fail but it's livable! And not too expensive to replace either.

406 is the last reliable 406 in which you can carry on driving with as little outlay as possible.

[sirwiggum]

The other half's dad bought a 407 and it is a very nice car in a silvery blue colour.
2.2 136bhp, it is surprisingly quick!
All the toys that the 406 rapier had - and more (anti-glare rear view mirror, cruise)

But I would say that so long as he keeps on servicing it'll be grand. Things like the FAP might be an issue at some point.

The C5 mk1 was never as good as the Xantia. I would say PSA hit their peak in the 90s with the 406/Xantia. They got the mechanicals just right, quality control, mostly sorted out the rust. Then, things got too complicated with european legislation to introduce FAPs and engine electrics.

So blame Europe!

[rwb]

no no no no no! Not the 1.6 HDi! Never the 1.6 HDi!
Over most of the rev range you get more power and torque from a 2.0 HDi 90
And its a Ford contraption

I see the 407 2.2 HDi 170 are below 5k now. (Must have half leather and a big screen -- not the poverty display.)

On the downside the 407 boots are small.

However, if I had to get a new car tomorrow then it would be this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... 3410944446
I agree with sirwiggum: they'd got the D8 pretty much perfect then went and bollocksed up the D9 with electronics. It.s the electricals that will kill the HDis.

[sirwiggum]

PSA Peugeot-Citroen are like the Channel 4 ident.

It all starts to come together with the D8 / phase 1-2 Xantia, then "That's it", then "oh no" with the overly complex electrics.

[Bailes1992]

no no no no no! Not the 1.6 HDi! Never the 1.6 HDi!
Over most of the rev range you get more power and torque from a 2.0 HDi 90
And its a Ford contraption

I see the 407 2.2 HDi 170 are below 5k now. (Must have half leather and a big screen -- not the poverty display.)

On the downside the 407 boots are small.

However, if I had to get a new car tomorrow then it would be this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... 3410944446
I agree with sirwiggum: they'd got the D8 pretty much perfect then went and bollocksed up the D9 with electronics. It.s the electricals that will kill the HDis.

I am so tempted by that D8, does anyone know if the D8 1.9's came with a trip computer?
Shame finding a nice 1.9 exec in such a good condition is hard work

[sirwiggum]

Would love to get an example like that and fit the D9 lights, grille, bonnet, bootlid, rear lights.

[Bailes1992]

Would love to get an example like that and fit the D9 lights, grille, bonnet, bootlid, rear lights.

Nonsense! D8 FTW! The last of the proper Peugeot looking Peugeots with the slatted grille!

[highlander]

D9 honeycomb grill for the win!

(of course, the Coupe looks better than both)

[waue1978]

I've had a look at the 1.6 HDi SE's and they look a great car and I'd have no problem affording one...

BUT theres too many common electrical niggles, turbo issues, DMF's, DPF's and then theres the fact they need new ball joints every 20,000miles.

The 406 seems to be the last breed of nice executive saloons in which you can avoid big bills.
Lets look at the competition...
Ford Mondeo TDDi - Fuel pumps REGULARLY fail (£700-£1000)
Ford Mondeo TDCi - Injectors fail (£400-£1500)
Peugeot 407 - DMF's, DPF's, Ball joints etc
Citreon C5 - Abit Ghastley, although the new one is nice but out of my price range.

I understand the 406 in 2.2 guise has a FAP but they are cheap enough to get rid of.
Also in 2.0 110 guise you get a DMF but stories of them failing arew few and far between.
The crank pullys fail on the 2.0s but you get pleanty of notice and they are cheap ewnough to replace.
Com2000 can fail but it's livable! And not too expensive to replace either.

406 is the last reliable 406 in which you can carry on driving with as little outlay as possible.

You missed the DMFs off of the Mondeo lists - they're an issue with TDDi & TDCi alike. I think the main issue with DMFs is that they cannot handle the extra torque produced by modern diesel engines. That would explain why the 110 HDis don't have such an issue with them normally, but strangely seem to produce a vibration under hard acceleration in 4th & 5th once remapped.

Got to admit, I'm still having thoughts of changing, but there are a few factors making me hesitant.

Main points being:

I've spent over a grand in maintenance since I bought it.
The 2.0 HDi is the most modern diesel that can be bought without inherent faults
& that I don't know how much I'd get for it.

I always used to buy the new car then sell the old, but the new insurance rule makes that too expensive really. Part ex I haven't tried yet, but I'd hope to get £1000. Sad truth though is that most places would probably offer £500 (based on the insurance information) as they have you by the nuts now.

One thing is for sure though, I don't think I would bother with a 407 at the moment. Not because I think it's a bad car, but mainly because the decent ones are out of my budget for the time being. I really don't like spending more than £3k on a car & try my best to keep below £2k if possible.

[jasper5]

i know it's a bit of a mute point with a few members over the styling of the 407 but looking on auto trader there isn't a great deal of price difference between 407's and similar mileage 406's. presuming both have DMF's and therefore the same potential problem there what other reason is there to avoid them as the look is kind of growing on me, especially the SE in black.
Also you get more power for similar insurance/tax/running costs.

a 136bhp se sw in black would be on my wish list

(if the lottery comes up tonight I'd rather ask pug for a pre-production HX1 tho!!!!)

I own a black 407 2.0 HDi 136 bhp, it's been a superb car so far, we've had it 2 years and done 35,000 miles in it.....mot due on monday

Alright, the DMF started to give trouble at 44,000 miles and I replaced it along with one bottom ball joint, I had to change the other at about 48,000.

Changing the ball joints is a very easy 20 minute job.

I always knew the DMF would need replacing sometime, it just happened sooner than I expected.

Regarding the DPF, our car is used mostly for motorway driving....I believe that makes a great deal of difference to how much trouble they give....using the car for short journeys is a problem...in my opinion.



I keep hearing people say that the 407 boot is small.....it ISN'T

My wife likes the 407 more than our old 406 90 bhp Rapier, it's a great car to drive, much better than the 406.

[sirwiggum]

Much prefer the mean look of the D9 and think that the blacked out grille has lineage to the 305 and 505.

Shame they didn't expand on the theme.

Of course the coupe wins hands down, but it is significantly more effort to put a coupe body on a D8 saloon.

Would be interesting though to get a diesel coupe and put one of those Ferrari bodykits on

[Bailes1992]

When I own my own house and have a nice double garage I will build a Bosch pumped 2.1 406 coupe.

Means I'l need a D8 coupe and a 1.9TD GLX/Exec for the wiring loom, gearbox and fuel pump and a 2.1 engine

[sirwiggum]

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[FarmerPug]

I like the 407 its not as good looking as the 406 (the d9 grille is a lot better looking and i understand the 505 connection it makes it look agressive),
but having said that the 407 is not far off from looking nice the right colour and a bit of chrome on the front grille and it looks nice enough sort of like a cheap maserati quattroporte, and when comparing the estates i prefer the look of the 407 more than the 406.
The interior of the 407 seems a big improvement they feel a lot more solidly built and there is some nice touches like the optional panoramic windscreen and the classier materials.