Electric window problem ....

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Last week was driving along with front passenger window part way down , when i tried
to close it it didn't move so thought i would need to look at it when i got home . Whilst
driving home messed with switch a little and it suddenly started to work and carried on
doing so for several days till monday when it stopped working with window fully down , aint
that always the fookin case .
So first removed drivers switch , all 3 other windows work just not passenger front , no sign
of dirt or burning just the switch feels a little loose . Then removed front passenger switch
and same again no dirt no burning or corrosion . I then removed door trim to look at motor
again wires seemed fine . So used a motorbike battery and 2 wires on the switch connector
motor worked fine and window raised :P .
Now what i need to know is ...
If the drivers side switch doesn't work will this prevent the passenger side from working ??
Could something other than a duff switch be the cause ??
Has anyone got a driver and passenger switch ?? hdi 110 yr 2000

My final dilemma is i found a french 10 cent and 1 cent coin in the door behind the insulation
and the only way i can see how it got there was when it was built , date on coins is 1999 . Now
do i try and trace the rightful owner through peugot or do i say nothing and pocket it for
myself !! :twisted:
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puggy wrote:Last week was driving along with front passenger window part way down , when i tried
to close it it didn't move so thought i would need to look at it when i got home . Whilst
driving home messed with switch a little and it suddenly started to work and carried on
doing so for several days till monday when it stopped working with window fully down , aint
that always the fookin case .
So first removed drivers switch , all 3 other windows work just not passenger front , no sign
of dirt or burning just the switch feels a little loose . Then removed front passenger switch
and same again no dirt no burning or corrosion . I then removed door trim to look at motor
again wires seemed fine . So used a motorbike battery and 2 wires on the switch connector
motor worked fine and window raised :P .
Now what i need to know is ...
If the drivers side switch doesn't work will this prevent the passenger side from working ??
Could something other than a duff switch be the cause ??
Has anyone got a driver and passenger switch ?? hdi 110 yr 2000

My final dilemma is i found a french 10 cent and 1 cent coin in the door behind the insulation
and the only way i can see how it got there was when it was built , date on coins is 1999 . Now
do i try and trace the rightful owner through peugot or do i say nothing and pocket it for
myself !! :twisted:

As far as the French coins go, pocket them. They were obviously dropped by the guy that built the car & it'll be justified punishment seeing as he didn't do it properly so that your windows would still be working.

As far as the fault goes, yes, a duff switch could cause that, but it could also be a wiring problem between the drivers door & the passenger door. My old 306 S16 had a non working passenger window & it turned out to be a wiring fault. Can't remember the exact details, but it was down to the switch on the drivers door telling it to go up so it wouldn't work from the passenger side - the drivers buttons override all the others.
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puggy wrote:My final dilemma is i found a french 10 cent and 1 cent coin in the door behind the insulation
and the only way i can see how it got there was when it was built , date on coins is 1999 . Now
do i try and trace the rightful owner through peugot or do i say nothing and pocket it for
myself !! :twisted:
Change for the Coffee machine? that's quite amazing and I suppose you're right - it must have got there during the build :? I found an enormous elastic band behind my Stereo once which had no earthly reason to be there as I could tell.

Clearly, removing said coins has given you a weight advantage in the Puggy/Doggy grand prix this season :lol:

(don't know about the switch btw :roll: )
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Cheers Wau , think i will start with the obvious the switch as today when i worked the
switch to put the drivers window down it went up :shock:
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Welly wrote:
puggy wrote:My final dilemma is i found a french 10 cent and 1 cent coin in the door behind the insulation
and the only way i can see how it got there was when it was built , date on coins is 1999 . Now
do i try and trace the rightful owner through peugot or do i say nothing and pocket it for
myself !! :twisted:
Change for the Coffee machine? that's quite amazing and I suppose you're right - it must have got there during the build :? I found an enormous elastic band behind my Stereo once which had no earthly reason to be there as I could tell.

Clearly, removing said coins has given you a weight advantage in the Puggy/Doggy grand prix this season :lol:

(don't know about the switch btw :roll: )
Cheers welly that cheered me up !! yes was quite surprised to find the coins :shock:

As regards the elastic band makes you wonder what the person building the car used it for .

As regards the doggy motor i think i would have to lose the whole body shell to beat him
now he is de-fapped , surely i should be allowed some kind of handicap :P
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puggy wrote:As regards the doggy motor i think i would have to lose the whole body shell to beat him
now he is de-fapped , surely i should be allowed some kind of handicap :P
Well you say that but I'm still waiting for a bowl of steaming custard to prove his rather caddish claims of anything like approaching the 180 PBHP he purports Image
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Welly wrote: Well you say that but I'm still waiting for a bowl of steaming custard to prove his rather caddish claims of anything like approaching the 180 PBHP he purports Image
Funnily enough, none of the coupe boys have any actual figures to back up their claims of the remap file either. Most of the tuning companies are quoting just under the 180 though, so I'd say there must be at least 160-170 coming out of the remapped 2.2s.

At the moment I am very tempted to take a look at this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-CITROEN- ... 19cc7b9d22

& take it here:

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Custard? :shock:

The passenger switch is between the driver's switch and the motors, it provides its own positives but relies on the earths being pushed through from the driver's switch when it's at rest. Not sure about the backwards behaviour (possibly the motor?) but I'd start by pulling the passenger switch off & checking the connector for the earths:
6071 - motor
6072 - earth from driver's switch
6173 - positive from BSI
M6002 - earth for illumination
6062 - earth from driver's switch
6061 - motor
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Thanks steve , i do have a digital read out multi-meter but i am a total pleb when
it comes to using it indeed with electrics full stop , i still have the switch dismantled
could you explain what i turn the switch on the meter to and what to look for and where i
put the probes cheers
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puggy wrote:what to look for and where i put the probes
You, in particular, should not say something like that on this forum :lol:

My third multimeter is doing quite well so far since I learned how not to blow it using the wrong settings :oops:

Mine measures AC and DC so you want the DC side (dotted line symbol "--" not the wavy line "~" like) and set it to 20v the probes can go either way - I think you get a "minus" symbol up if you've got the polarity wrong. I suppose you wanna see 12v before the switch and 12v out the other end, like, but actually don't listen to me I am a numpty with car electrics - give me a 240v ring main or a 2-way lighting circuit and I'm like a pig in the brown stuff :) :?

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puggy wrote:surely i should be allowed some kind of handicap :P
I could leave the windows down, if that helps. :twisted:

Custard? :shock: +1
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Custard, as in Custard 'proof'.........the proof is in the Custard, or was that Pudding? :?
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Welly wrote:give me a 240v ring main or a 2-way lighting circuit and I'm like a pig in the brown stuff :) :?
We've got 3 phase here :wink: Oh, and 3-way lighting circuits...

I understand the concerns about finding 12 volts and blowing the meter up, with the ignition off and the door open it *should* all be dead but if you've got any worries check with the voltage range first.

It seems a bit odd to me that nobody can use a multimeter, I guess I should remember I was brought up with a dad who was a GPO engineer and always had a couple of AVOs hanging about.

There are quite a few "how to"s for using a multimeter on the interweb but they're either assuming you are 12 and have brain damage or they're too complicated.

So...
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This seems like a fairly typical multimeter, it has ranges for ac & dc volts, dc amps (no ac?) and ohms. It also has an extra socket for testing dc amps up to 16 amps (cool), it's usiually done with an extra socket because it will have a fairly large shunt and won't be accurate at low currents (btw if you use this don't forget to put it back into the low range socket because as sure as eggs is eggs, then next time you use it you'll blow it up :oops: ). The picture of the diode is usually a sounder, so if you short the leads it'll beep - very useful for continuity testung as you don't have to keep watching the meter.

Btw the socket that looks like a DIN is for testing transistors, you'll probably never use this...

If it doesn't have the sounder you'll have to do it the traditional way, set it on the lowest resistance (ohms or Ω) scale or you'll get readings everywhere because it's measuring YOU :shock:

For pretty much everything on a car you'll only need the sounder or ohms setting looking for continuity and a dv voltage setting covering battery voltage (say 13.8 volts, so the 20 volts range on this meter is fine.) Always disconnect it when you are changing the range - pop!

For testing the feeds on the passenger door switch you're looking for earths on these two wires 6062 & 6072. There *shouldn't* be any voltage on them but if there's any doubt start off on the voltage setting, testing between the connector on the end of the wires and a good earth. I usually find good earths on either a door check strap or the ignition key slot (or the ignition key itself if you can get to it). Btw it's handy to have the choice between test probes and crocodile clips on the end of your multimeter's leads 'cos otherwise you need 3 hands. Once you're certain there is no voltage on the wires, turn the meter to the sounder (or the Ω scale) and test between the end of the connectors and your earth again, you are looking for somewhere close to zero ohms or a beep. This should tell you if the driver's door switch is pushing both earths through to the passenger door switch or if it's broke. If you're getting both earths I'd thnm suggest to put the switch back & try the windows (bluddy intermittent fault), if it's still no good it probably means the passenger switch is broke. I think winding the window up with a battery *probably* means the wiring from the switch to the motor and the motor itself are ok, but you could try testing between wires 6071 & 6061 to see if you can see the motor, use the resistance scale and I'm guessing it'll almost look like a short circuit as the motor is quite powerful.

Hmm, I guess that's enough to confuse you for now :P
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Proof is in the Pudding welly the pudding young man the pudding !!! :P :P
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Hi Lou.

I had exactly the same problem on my 2001 Rapier.

Turned out to be the switch unit that was faulty, a new switch sorted it.

There is this in the knowledge base now though.....

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