anyone got my old car?!

[406HDI]

Hi guys, I've not been on this site for a while, but just thought I'd see if anyone on here bought my old car! I sold a silver 2001 406 GTX 2.2 HDI back in May this year in Worcester. Anyone bought one around that time?

[Welly]

Hi guys, I've not been on this site for a while, but just thought I'd see if anyone on here bought my old car! I sold a silver 2001 406 GTX 2.2 HDI back in May this year in Worcester. Anyone bought one around that time?

Didn't you like the old puggy then ?

I've heard, and seen, the Skoda VRS is a bit of a beast in Diesel terms, is it the 150 BHP ?

[406HDI]

Hi guys, I've not been on this site for a while, but just thought I'd see if anyone on here bought my old car! I sold a silver 2001 406 GTX 2.2 HDI back in May last year in Worcester. Anyone bought one around that time?

Didn't you like the old puggy then ?

I've heard, and seen, the Skoda VRS is a bit of a beast in Diesel terms, is it the 150 BHP ?

I actually liked the Pug a lot. With the 2.2 diesel engine it was a lovely car to drive, very smooth and refined (the ideal motorway cruiser I guess). However in the couple of years that I owned the car, it had some problems and I struggled to find any dealers that cared.

The vRS is a completely different car. It's fast (it's the VW 1.9TDI - 130bhp) and a lot of fun to drive. Doesn't make it better than the Pug though, just different.

[Welly]

Yes, it can be hard to resolve things that you want fixing sometimes, that's a shame you had to change the car because of it, but I know what you mean.

I was looking into a Golf GT TDi 130. I understand the 130 is a lot more rounded and is ideally suited to the car whereas the 150 is a bit brutal with too much torque in one big lump.

There are issues, I believe, with the Air Mass Flow Meter signified by a drop in power. Thankfully there are so many AFM failures on VW's that replacement is now around £80.00.

Oil consumption can be an issue on some where they left the factory with fully synthetic oil which did not allow the engine to run in properly (apparently).

I wonder where your 2.2 went??????

[406HDI]

the 150 and 130bhp VW engines are almost exactly the same. The 150 simply has a bigger turbo and a different ECU map. Ultimatly the 150 version is faster, but the larger turbo takes longer to spin up, which results in more lag. The 130 is arguably a better/smoother drive.

Yep you're right about the MAFs. They are prone to failure, but apart from that it's a solid engine. My biggest problem with the 406 was its FAP system which was prone to expensive failure!

I part-ex'd the 406 at a Skoda dealer in Worcester, so I'd image it went up for auction somewhere in the Midlands. There weren't many 406 2.2HDI GTXs made so it's quite a rare model. I just wondering if someone on here had picked it up...

[Welly]

FAP ?

[406HDI]

FAP ?

The particle filter in the exhaust system. They were introduced to cut emmisions, which they do very well, but they are complex and prone to getting blocked or failing. Basically there is an additive that is squirted into the fuel after it leaves the tank, which reduces exhaust temperatures. The filter than blocks the nasty stuff before it escapes into the outside world. The problem is that the additive has to be kept topped up (about every 48,000 miles) and it's not cheap, and unless you drive the car hard the filter often gets blocked. All in all, they are a pain in the arse! They are now fitted to all 307/407 diesels, and they are the sole reason that I've now got a VW engined car! I've driven in the region of 15-20 407 and 307 diesels as company hire cars, and a good proportion of them developed the same fault!!

[Welly]

Ohhhh, I know the one.......ANTI POLUTION FAULT

Mines the old version without that, I just have the CAT, on the whole it runs pretty clean anyway. If you leave my car running on the drive it doesn't really smell bad, not like old Diesels anyway. I think VW have a similar set up with high pressure injection and a CAT.

Funny how VW haven't adopted the common rail set up yet. I understand the oil is crucial on the PD engine as the cam lobes are under more strain with the PD injectors running off them. Also setting up the cam timing is 'interesting'

[406HDI]

Yep, that's the message that I came all to familier with!! When the FAP worked on my old car you would never see any exhaust smoke, even under hard acceleration.

I presume you have the 8v 90 or 110bhp HDI then? To be honest that is the engine that I should have got. Its not as free-reving or fast as the 16v 136bhp, but the engine is pretty much bullet-proof.

VW/Audi are moving over to common rail with future engines. However the PD design has proved to be very reliable, powerful and efficient. It's not until recently that common rail has provided the power to match PD engines.

[jameslxdt]

Yep you're right about the MAFs. They are prone to failure, but apart from that it's a solid engine. My biggest problem with the 406 was its FAP system which was prone to expensive failure!

there is a secret way round the fap failure, but peugeot are not allowed to do it, as they would make no money!

the worst thing ive found about the vag PD engines is there no where near as durable as the HDi units and those injectors, lets just hope you never have to have them replaced

[406HDI]

Yep you're right about the MAFs. They are prone to failure, but apart from that it's a solid engine. My biggest problem with the 406 was its FAP system which was prone to expensive failure!

there is a secret way round the fap failure, but peugeot are not allowed to do it, as they would make no money!

the worst thing ive found about the vag PD engines is there no where near as durable as the HDi units and those injectors, lets just hope you never have to have them replaced

Time will tell I guess. Although you see a lot of vag engined taxi's around with very high mileages (usualy next to 406s funnily enough!) so I'm hopeful it will last a while. Out of interest, what makes you say they are less reliable than the HDI? The vag 1.9 has been around back into the old PSA UXD days! I had to get a new set of injectors for the 16v HDI and they were around £200 each!! Not exactly cheap!

Do you know the 'secret' fix for the FAP problem? Too late for me, but I'd be interested to know?

[jameslxdt]

technically i shouldnt even know, the way to cure the particulate filter is to simply, refill the cleaning fluid and tell the ecu that it has been cleaned, i know of a few cars that were scrap but then this resurected them, but as i said, peugeot do not offer this service, its only for employees only,
the reason i say the HDi is strong than the VAG PD units is that the PD engine is extremly stressed due to the nature of its design, they are a strong engine but get pushed very hard and as a result dont have the same durability
the HDi is a far less stressed unit and the DW10 block is based on the XUD block which is well known for its extreme longivety and is a well proven design dating back to the late '70s, peugeot are still using the 1.9 engine now even in their new cars as its such a great design

[406HDI]

technically i shouldnt even know, the way to cure the particulate filter is to simply, refill the cleaning fluid and tell the ecu that it has been cleaned, i know of a few cars that were scrap but then this resurected them, but as i said, peugeot do not offer this service, its only for employees only,
the reason i say the HDi is strong than the VAG PD units is that the PD engine is extremly stressed due to the nature of its design, they are a strong engine but get pushed very hard and as a result dont have the same durability
the HDi is a far less stressed unit and the DW10 block is based on the XUD block which is well known for its extreme longivety and is a well proven design dating back to the late '70s, peugeot are still using the 1.9 engine now even in their new cars as its such a great design

Do you mean the fuel additive? Each time I went back to the dealer they topped up the additive and did something to the ECU, but only used to work for a few weeks!

I'm not sure about the HDI being stronger than the TDI. I've read/heard that both engines are very strong. I guess time will tell - mine's only on 12,000 miles!

[ThePrisoner]

I had bought a diesel car instead of my 406, I know where my money would have been spent.

Skoda Fabia vRS - 1.9 TDi 130BHP.





Pris.

[ThePrisoner]

If I had bought a diesel motor instead of my 406, I know where my money would have been spent.

Skoda Fabia vRS - 1.9 TDi (130 BHP)



Pris.