406 HDI. Shake on start up and stop!

[Doggy]

Hi & welcome aboard.

Fully multiplexed cars, (late 2001 on), only have one water temperature sensor. It's not uncommon for the fan to run rarely, if ever. Also, unlike the earlier cars, the fan is not always needed whan the aircon's running - it is controlled by the engine ecu in response to high coolant temperature and/or refrigerant pressure.

[sym]

[quote="madmadmax"]if you poly bush it your dash will shake and vibrate more than a dildo and don't touch the eBay ones unless its from neats

i was thinking more like this http://www.powerflex.co.uk/resize_image ... PFF50-306R

[madmadmax]

ye one of them will make your dash shake and vibrate so stick with the rubber ones but not the cheap ones cos you will be doing it again in 6 months as i found out

[sym]

ye one of them will make your dash shake and vibrate so stick with the rubber ones but not the cheap ones cos you will be doing it again in 6 months as i found out

thanks for the info, il replace with an original when the time comes. cheers, lee

[YJ53CGA]

Ok. I called the local Peugeot dealer and to my amazement they had the lower back engine mount bush in stock I've picked it up this morning and the guy on the parts counter said its a common part to go and they always have them in stock! Now the question I have is can this be fitted to the mount on the car as it's press in or is it a drive shaft out and mount off to be done? If on the car how long would it take and how tight is it to work on?

Thanks for the help so far guys ;)

Also it was only £22 which for a dealer part I think is good.

[gumby6371]

Can be done on the car by unbolting the bar that slots through the bush, 2 16mm sockets if memory serves, hacking the rubber out with something sharp and possibly some careful heating (mind the fumes and flames) and then cutting and bending the outer metal of the knackered bush until that comes off, a hacksaw with the blade upside down is the usual tool of choice assembled inside the hole if you get the idea.
Then pressing the new one in by way of grease and G clamps or other heath robinson methods (angle iron and threaded bar works in my head but never tried it in practise) and a lot of patience.
Assuming it's fixed with bolts and not studs unbolting the mount from the block should allow it to swing aroung the drive shaft and give you more room to play with to get the new bush in. You may even get a decent bench vise under there but not 100% on that one.

Stock up on plasters, coffee and cigarettes and make sure the car is secure on stands/ramps, I'd be tackling that job with the car over a pit as you'll be under there a while and it kills my knech holding your head 2 inches off the ground. Still aching from doing my exhaust gasket last Sunday!!!

[YJ53CGA]

Ok. I did the rear lower engine mount on the car with drive shaft in place and the 406 is now nice and smooth on turn over so a HUGE thank you for the guys who helped me. Not only have you sorted out this issue but you've also stopped me from buying a new flywheel which by the sounds of it I will never need
I did however still have the issue of slow turning over so with having the toolbox out I then set about removing the starter motor and did a bench test which I found it to be fine, so I then put it back in and started the car! Still turning over slow so I then decided to remove all the earth points and clean them all up. The worst one was the one behind the near side headlight, but once all cleaned up I bolted them back in and WOW she turns over so much faster but if left over night she is still a little slow first start but after that she's wonderful

[jonsowman]

Well done! That's excellent, good work

[gumby6371]

glad you got the mount sorted, out of curiosity what did you use to press the new mount in ?

[keppler]

Ok. I did the rear lower engine mount on the car with drive shaft in place and the 406 is now nice and smooth on turn over so a HUGE thank you for the guys who helped me. Not only have you sorted out this issue but you've also stopped me from buying a new flywheel which by the sounds of it I will never need

OK, you gotta let us know how you got the mounting to fit while the driveshaft was still in place! I've got my new mount sitting in the kitchen but i'm afraid to tackle the job in case my homemade pressing tool isn't up to the task.
What kind of tool did you use?
Would you say the mount took a lot of torque to press in as in say more than or less than a typical suspension bush?

[lozz]

Ok. I did the rear lower engine mount on the car with drive shaft in place and the 406 is now nice and smooth on turn over so a HUGE thank you for the guys who helped me. Not only have you sorted out this issue but you've also stopped me from buying a new flywheel which by the sounds of it I will never need

OK, you gotta let us know how you got the mounting to fit while the driveshaft was still in place! I've got my new mount sitting in the kitchen but i'm afraid to tackle the job in case my homemade pressing tool isn't up to the task.
What kind of tool did you use?
Would you say the mount took a lot of torque to press in as in say more than or less than a typical suspension bush?

Put the new bush in the freezer,

you cut the inside of the old bush out as much as you can, then use a junior hack saw, take the blade off and put the blade the wrong way round
on the inside where the old bush was , put the handle back on then cut away for 10 mins or so, (its the metal ring from the old bush you want out)
once youve cut through, get something with a sharp edge and chizzel whats left out,

the frozen new bush shouid then just tap in, no need to press it in,

Dont put the bush in the wrong way or you will end up with a vibrating dashboard,

get a Mental picture of the old bush before removal and then you will be able to work out the position of the new bush shouid be tapped in at,

[keppler]

Put the new bush in the freezer,

you cut the inside of the old bush out as much as you can, then use a junior hack saw, take the blade off and put the blade the wrong way round
on the inside where the old bush was , put the handle back on then cut away for 10 mins or so, (its the metal ring from the old bush you want out)
once youve cut through, get something with a sharp edge and chizzel whats left out,

the frozen new bush shouid then just tap in, no need to press it in,

Dont put the bush in the wrong way or you will end up with a vibrating dashboard,

get a Mental picture of the old bush before removal and then you will be able to work out the position of the new bush shouid be tapped in at,

Cheers lozz thats just the info I was hoping for. my pressing tool was incomplete for the job anyway as it relies on sockets the same size as the bush you're trying to press in. I went to the shop the other day and the mounting bush required a 54mm socket to match its size. only one shop in the town had the socket and they wanted 35 quid for it

[lozz]

Put the new bush in the freezer,

you cut the inside of the old bush out as much as you can, then use a junior hack saw, take the blade off and put the blade the wrong way round
on the inside where the old bush was , put the handle back on then cut away for 10 mins or so, (its the metal ring from the old bush you want out)
once youve cut through, get something with a sharp edge and chizzel whats left out,

the frozen new bush shouid then just tap in, no need to press it in,

Dont put the bush in the wrong way or you will end up with a vibrating dashboard,

get a Mental picture of the old bush before removal and then you will be able to work out the position of the new bush shouid be tapped in at,

Cheers lozz thats just the info I was hoping for. my pressing tool was incomplete for the job anyway as it relies on sockets the same size as the bush you're trying to press in. I went to the shop the other day and the mounting bush required a 54mm socket to match its size. only one shop in the town had the socket and they wanted 35 quid for it

Theres no way you wouid press it out from under the car, have a Squint over it and you will see what imean,
its just a case of getting a cut in it and bending it inwards abeit, iused a lump hammer and an old tough screwdriver with the handle cut off to get them out,
The higher you can get the car off the ground the easier it is ithink,
(its deffo a lump hammer job,)

[lozz]

Iforgot to add.

Dont Try heating the Mount, not only can your car catch fire,
the Mount is Made of a crap Cast Alloy, itl crack,

[keppler]

Theres no way you wouid press it out from under the car, have a Squint over it and you will see what imean,
its just a case of getting a cut in it and bending it inwards abeit, iused a lump hammer and an old tough screwdriver with the handle cut off to get them out,
The higher you can get the car off the ground the easier it is ithink,
(its deffo a lump hammer job,)

I actually had a look under at it the other day. Access actually looks not to bad for under the car, as you say, as long as I can get it good and high i'll be ok. I was never actually planning on pressing it out anyway, (I'll be using my hole saw kit, hacksaw and chisels for that). It was getting the thing back in that I was worried about. I know how hard it is to press in bushes using vices and the socket & threaded bar tool I have, and the thought of having to apply so much pressure underneath with the car up on trestles kinda bothers me.
But sure as you say it just goes in with taps from a hammer so I dont have to worry about that.
Just out of a matter of interest........are there any marks on the housing to indicate what position the new mount is to be installed? I only ask this because my dash vibrated from the day I bought the car so I'm not sure if the present mount is even in the correct position.