Errr why?

[Sonia406]

Today has been 'Let's mob Ms Peugeot with our Peugeot problems Day'

Friend 1, has a 206, 2001 (51 plate) Diesel (I think too ''young'' to have a DPF but you guys may say different and sorry, I don't know the litre engine which is probably relevant! If she told me, I forgot.... busy morning - long story - don't go there).
It has been okay, when it dies, it dies. The garage she took it to replaced the ECU (without checking the pump first of all, I thought that would of been the FIRST point of call but hey, I am not a bloody mechanic). ECU replaced. Drove away from the garage, fueled up and hey ho - wouldn't start again.
2 mechanics have as she put it ''washed their hands of the car'' and given up hope on it, hence she's bought a automatic 206 instead..... while this ones off road...
I have told her to wait until I get back to her next week (Hopefully you guys can help me pinpoint what her problem is) I am almost convinced it's something to do with the fuel pump and I am quite frankly shocked that any garage would miss something that screams out to me as being so f*cking obvious!
Why piss around with the ECU when it would of perhaps been cheaper to LOOK and replace the pump, or am I being a stupid woman here and blowing this out of proportion?


Friend 2, bought a V reg 306, 1.4 petrol, signed a ''sold as seen'' note with the car and low and behold the thermostat has been removed and she has a blown head gasket. Took that call this morning, she's quite distressed at that. A single Mother with children to support had to scrimp and save for months to afford that car (£500) and bought off an old ''school friend''.
I don't know what to advise for her, I think the only way is to perhaps scrap the car? I don't see it worth doing on a car of that age - what do you recommend?
I'm not sure who told her the thermostat had been removed but who ever it was didn't check the car over, when she told me the thermostat had been removed I did spend a few minutes going 'now I wonder why they did that?' I repeated that to myself a few times before the penny dropped. Told her to go out to the car, lift the bonnet and check under the cap and there was oil and gunk beneath it - it's almost definitely a head gasket. I clearly don't know a lot about cars but thats very bloody sneaky in my eyes, removing thermostat so it didn't creep up when she viewed it.


Any advice on either friends would be appreciated..................

Poor fellow Lion-followers

[steve_earwig]

A chassis number is always useful...

Scrapheap challenge #1 - No idea if it would have a DPF, probably not but it's irrelevant anyway. Lift pump? It's always possible but it depends on which engine it is if it has one... The symptoms also remind me of all those pictures of blocked fuel strainers... Btw you really could do with a code reader for this sort of stuff. Either that or start replacing components until the fault goes (which is probably what the garage was doing...)

Scrapheap challenge #2 - my D8 came without a thermostat and I drove it for two year like it (it took a while to warm up but it was my first diesel and I'd heard they did that ). Eventually I replaced it and it never overheated. This time of year it's common to get mayonnaise under the filler cap, more worrying would be mayonnaise on the dipstick/white smoke from the exhaust/unexplained loss of coolant. If in doubt a sniff test would prove it.

[Sonia406]

A chassis number is always useful...

Scrapheap challenge #1 - No idea if it would have a DPF, probably not but it's irrelevant anyway. Lift pump? It's always possible but it depends on which engine it is if it has one... The symptoms also remind me of all those pictures of blocked fuel strainers... Btw you really could do with a code reader for this sort of stuff. Either that or start replacing components until the fault goes (which is probably what the garage was doing...)

Scrapheap challenge #2 - my D8 came without a thermostat and I drove it for two year like it (it took a while to warm up but it was my first diesel and I'd heard they did that ). Eventually I replaced it and it never overheated. This time of year it's common to get mayonnaise under the filler cap, more worrying would be mayonnaise on the dipstick/white smoke from the exhaust/unexplained loss of coolant. If in doubt a sniff test would prove it.

#1 ~ Yeah... I guess a code reader is desperately on the list of ''to get soon''..... What pictures and fuel strainers? Can you point me in the right direction? Would the fuel pump come up on the fault reader then?

#2 ~ Hmm she is about 40 miles from me and with no transport (or licence) that's 2 buses and 2/3 trains depending on the connection if its' late lol. I couldn't easily go to see her and to smell it, could you describe the difference in smell, even I wouldn't have a clue... We had the heads go on our diesels so would it smell different on a petrol? Thanks

[lozz]

The 1.4 tu engines are prone for hg failure,
They start off with rough running building up to throwing Mayo down the front of the block

If it hasn't got too that stage you can throw a bottle of k seal in and you can get a month or two
Out of them,

K-seal might be worth a shot before scrapping it,

I. Can do the head gaskets on them on the cheap

[steve_earwig]

#1 ~ Yeah... I guess a code reader is desperately on the list of ''to get soon''..... What pictures and fuel strainers? Can you point me in the right direction? Would the fuel pump come up on the fault reader then?

#2 ~ Hmm she is about 40 miles from me and with no transport (or licence) that's 2 buses and 2/3 trains depending on the connection if its' late lol. I couldn't easily go to see her and to smell it, could you describe the difference in smell, even I wouldn't have a clue... We had the heads go on our diesels so would it smell different on a petrol? Thanks

It should come up as something like fuel pressure too low (understatement...). I'd have thought it would bring up the perpetually meaningless "emissions system catastrophe" on the dash, depending on model... Umm, pictures, hold on...viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12414&p=110312&hil ... pg#p110312 - although reading it, it's not exactly flat spots she's getting.

#2 Lozz is tha maaan. Ask me about lawnmowers...

[Welly]

When Wiggy said a 'sniff test' he didn't me to get your schnozer in there having a good sniff it's a non-technical term for testing the coolant for the presence of Hydrocarbons (products of combustion) meaning that the combustion/oil/water galleries are breached.

They basically 'sample' some of the coolant using a kinda Turkey Baster and watch for it changing colour to confirm the test.

I think lozz's idea of trying an additive (like K-seal) is worth a shot even as a stop gap. The cool-running 206 will be using more fuel than it should which'll start to stack up soon.

The other 206 would not have needed a new ECU, sounds like it's being passed around like a hot potato

[scotty73]

When Wiggy said a 'sniff test' he didn't me to get your schnozer in there having a good sniff it's a non-technical term for testing the coolant for the presence of Hydrocarbons (products of combustion) meaning that the combustion/oil/water galleries are breached.

I was going to say maybe she needs a Fluoroscopy.

[steve_earwig]

Isn't that for incontinent air con systems?

[lozz]

The tu engines can suffer with ECU failure

If the coil pack. Isn't. Bougichord branded. Bin it and replace it with one
This is what Fry's the ECU
Its all over the net about it. For confirmation,


Edit, doh, just re read thread.

Not valid if hdi

So ignore

[scotty73]

Isn't that for incontinent air con systems?

very well put.

The world of google throws up some interesting stuff on sniff tests/testing..... None to do with cars either.

[Sonia406]

The 1.4 tu engines are prone for hg failure,
They start off with rough running building up to throwing Mayo down the front of the block

If it hasn't got too that stage you can throw a bottle of k seal in and you can get a month or two
Out of them,

K-seal might be worth a shot before scrapping it,

I. Can do the head gaskets on them on the cheap

Apparently there is water leaking from the pipe leading to where the thermostat should of been..... also water is coming out of the overflow.
Would you be willing to help my damsel in distress? She is in Gloucestershire and as I say, a single mother to 3 young children so it would definitely be on the cheap
There is nothing but oil down and with the dipstick.... There is no apparent white smoke coming from the exhaust. Not sure on smells, she just said it smelt like a normal petrol smell............



RE: 206 and fuel, thanks for that......... Certainly something to look into................

[puggy]

Nothing to add really seems like the lads are covering it

I am quite frankly shocked that any garage would miss something that screams out to me as being so f*cking obvious!
Why piss around with the ECU when it would of perhaps been cheaper to LOOK and replace the pump, or am I being a stupid woman here and blowing this out of proportion?

Jeez i love it when a woman swears mmmmmmmmm

[lozz]

The 1.4 tu engines are prone for hg failure,
They start off with rough running building up to throwing Mayo down the front of the block

If it hasn't got too that stage you can throw a bottle of k seal in and you can get a month or two
Out of them,

K-seal might be worth a shot before scrapping it,

I. Can do the head gaskets on them on the cheap

Apparently there is water leaking from the pipe leading to where the thermostat should of been..... also water is coming out of the overflow.
Would you be willing to help my damsel in distress? She is in Gloucestershire and as I say, a single mother to 3 young children so it would definitely be on the cheap
There is nothing but oil down and with the dipstick.... There is no apparent white smoke coming from the exhaust. Not sure on smells, she just said it smelt like a normal petrol smell............


It will leak if the thermostat has been removed
The thermostat has a seal
Put a new thermostat in it, it comes as a kit. Thermostat and housing normaly around 8 quid last time I bought one

That's too far out for. Me or iwouid of had a look at it,
I'm in Manchester,




RE: 206 and fuel, thanks for that......... Certainly something to look into................

[waue1978]

Nothing to add really seems like the lads are covering it

I am quite frankly shocked that any garage would miss something that screams out to me as being so f*cking obvious!
Why piss around with the ECU when it would of perhaps been cheaper to LOOK and replace the pump, or am I being a stupid woman here and blowing this out of proportion?

Jeez i love it when a woman swears mmmmmmmmm

If a woman swearing with "piss" gets you excited Puggy, you should meet my Mrs - you'll chuck your muck after hearing her language for 10mins!

[Sonia406]

Nothing to add really seems like the lads are covering it

I am quite frankly shocked that any garage would miss something that screams out to me as being so f*cking obvious!
Why piss around with the ECU when it would of perhaps been cheaper to LOOK and replace the pump, or am I being a stupid woman here and blowing this out of proportion?

Jeez i love it when a woman swears mmmmmmmmm

If a woman swearing with "piss" gets you excited Puggy, you should meet my Mrs - you'll chuck your muck after hearing her language for 10mins!

I would love to say I don't swear often........ but that's complete bollocks