The wishbone, anti-roll bar and strut will be insulated via rubber bushes, and the ball joint on the track rod ends may be a very poor conductor.lozz wrote: the negative lead didn't work on the caliper couid only get an earth off the track rod end, which confused me,
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That's handy!
I estimate a 2.2 Ohm 100W resistor, connected between this and a convenient earth, will have the desired effect in about 5 hours.
I estimate a 2.2 Ohm 100W resistor, connected between this and a convenient earth, will have the desired effect in about 5 hours.

2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
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Re: Never buy abmw- in winter !
aye true. the jump lead wasn't long enough or it wouid of been welded to the bmw badge the big pile of s...toldskoolskool wrote:The wishbone, anti-roll bar and strut will be insulated via rubber bushes, and the ball joint on the track rod ends may be a very poor conductor.lozz wrote: the negative lead didn't work on the caliper couid only get an earth off the track rod end, which confused me,

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Doggy wrote:That's handy!
I estimate a 2.2 Ohm 100W resistor, connected between this and a convenient earth, will have the desired effect in about 5 hours.

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Bloody hell! All this buggering about because it doesn't have a key hole?
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Like the 307 or 407, also with electric tailgates?Sonia406 wrote:And here's the reason guys we buy Frenchmjb wrote:Yeah I had that fun with my last bimmer. Took the battery out to charge and closed the tailgate so I could close the garage door... Oops. The E39 tailgate is solenoid-opening, not mechanical.
Thankfully I could get in the other doors, so I ended up dropping the back seat and climbing through to hit the interior mechanical opener

Also, I quite like having the battery in the boot. With the size and weight of the bloody things (nearly twice the size, and 25Kg compared to 14Kg for a hdi90 battery) there's less back pain involved in swapping, more weight on the driving wheels, and more room under the bonnet for the V8 goodness

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....and a lot more volt drop due to the longer battery cables while your starter attempts to coax that little V8 into life
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2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
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Well it's a heck of a hefty cable - around 0 gauge, which is 0.0003224 Ω/m, say there's 4m to the starter (8m including return trip which we'll presume to also be the same resistance). That makes 0.0025792Ω in wire resistance.Doggy wrote:....and a lot more volt drop due to the longer battery cables while your starter attempts to coax that little V8 into life
Let's presume the starter takes 600A. Single-phase voltage drop according to wikipedia is (2LRI)/1000 = (2*8m*0.0025792Ω*600A)/1000 = 0.025v

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Connections are usually worse for resistance than the cables anyway. Real Minis used to have it in the boot, there just wasn't room under the bonnet for one.
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BMW Isetta (the UK 3-wheeler edition) had the battery under your seat. A special feature of this car was that the seat springs would short the battery out, particularly if the driver is heavier than the average bear...
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I've heard of that happening to Beetles - the battery is under the rear seat on those. Same for MGBs.
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Nah that was the heated seat featurehighlander wrote:A special feature of this car was that the seat springs would short the battery out, particularly if the driver is heavier than the average bear...

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Welly wrote:Nah that was the heated seat featurehighlander wrote:A special feature of this car was that the seat springs would short the battery out, particularly if the driver is heavier than the average bear...

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It's a DC circuit, volt drop is simply I x R, to use your figures, 600 x .0025792 = 1.55 V.mjb wrote:Well it's a heck of a hefty cable - around 0 gauge, which is 0.0003224 Ω/m, say there's 4m to the starter (8m including return trip which we'll presume to also be the same resistance). That makes 0.0025792Ω in wire resistance.Doggy wrote:....and a lot more volt drop due to the longer battery cables while your starter attempts to coax that little V8 into life
Let's presume the starter takes 600A. Single-phase voltage drop according to wikipedia is (2LRI)/1000 = (2*8m*0.0025792Ω*600A)/1000 = 0.025v
Doesn't sound too much? Bear in mind your battery voltage will be somewhere in the region of 7-8 Volts when delivering 600A. now it's not so insignificant.
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)