Another starting trouble thread

[ZilogJones]

Well I ordered a PP2000 anyway so I guess I'll see if it tells me anything useful.
Is yours Siemens as well? Is it any better after getting the injector(s?) done?

[dave406]

Made.a.difference.for.a week did not another one was showing the same symptoms though

[dave406]

No idea if it's Siemens

[ZilogJones]

Since it's 2002 it probably is Siemens too. It will say on a few labels under the bonnet (slam panel and injector rail on mine), and also there'll be a primer bulb. Earlier HDi's used a Bosch injection system.

[Captain Jack]

Dave406's was Bosch

[dave406]

Thanks cj thinking it could be starter

[ZilogJones]

Did you have any luck solving this problem?

I got PP2000 working, and the injector stuff seems ok, e.g. injector flow correction seems off by about 10% at idle but is fine once the engine goes over about 1500 rpm. I haven't tried logging on a cold start yet.

But I'm starting to think about the starter motor again, especially after seeing this thread:
http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/206 ... art-63649/

They mention the Mitsubishi starter motors are weak, and this is what is fitted in mine. Service Box says "STARTER MOTOR CL 4", and when i go to look at parts it lists these models:
VALEO (DEMARR) D 7 R 26
VALEO (DEMARR) D6 RA 107
MITSUBISHI M 000 T 82081
BOSCH 0 001 108 176
VALEO (DEMARR) D 7 R 27
BOSCH 0 001 108 183
MITSUBISHI M 000 T 85381
BOSCH 0 001 107 063
MITSUBISHI M 001 T 80082

Does anyone know which more powerful starters I could replace this with? Any recommendations?

[dave406]

Mine had a starter and.alternator 2 years ago along with new battery last year so I'm stumped

[ZilogJones]

Yes but which starter did you fit? There's a lot of people saying the standard 1.4 kW starter motors fitted in these cars are too weak for colder climates, and 1.7-2.0 kW replacements are available. There are many people having the same problems on Peugeot Forums and French Car Forums in 406s, 307s, 407s, and the vans with the same engine, and a few have had success with a more powerful starter.

After doing some logging with PP2000 on my car and eventually finding out where it saves these logs, I'm pretty confident that the injection system is ok - pressure seems alright and nothing else seems too far out of the ordinary. However I logged a cold start today and cranking speed was around 190-250 RPM - I've seen others say this engine needs more like 250-300 RPM to start. If the cranking speed is too low, then surely the main possible culprits are either the battery or starter?

[dave406]

Iy was before I purchased.the.car. It takes one or.2 goes this morning.