Has anyone seen any 65 plate motahs..??

[steve_earwig]

Possibly not, I think GM was going for the "look at me! Look at me! I've mortgaged my grandma and bought this crappy Kia so I can be king of the road for 6 months" type of car, not something the council is forced to buy because their old buses poison kittens...

It's that dark moody grey, the colour of dark storm clouds and kinda pearlescent too, looks pretty cool to me.

I've just contaminated my PC by looking at ford.hr but I can't see any colour charts. That sounds like "Nuclear Power Station Meltdown" grey to me. Oh no, tell a lie, here it is (novi Focus, new focus, or focus 2015, make your bleedin' minds up) - could it be "Lunar Sky"? Eh? Wouldn't that be, er, black? Lunar Sea more like...

*flushes cache*

[Doggy]

I had a Chavalier once which was 'Smoke Blue' which was apt as the same shade was often seen exiting the tail pipe once the valve stem oil seals* had perished.

Ah, a Mk2 Cavalier if I'm not mistaken. IIRC the engines* were made in a new facility in Australia and had some QC issues to begin with.
At the time I had a much modified, brutally quick Manta B and was singularly unimpressed these later FWD aberrations.
When passing a queue of mid/late 80's traffic, I would occasionally pull in behind one of these, 'for the free anti-rust treatment'.

After a time, I discerned the true meaning of the various models appellations:
GL: Gobbles Lubricant
GLS: Gobbles Lubricant and Smokes
SRI: Smokey Rust Inhibitor
CD: Converting to Diesel
LD: Legitamate Diesel
L: TBH, I was never sure about this one, 'Loser' probably.

[Bailes1992]

I was rocking about in a 65 plate Sprinter 319CDi all last week.
Twin turbo 3.0 V6 engine. Absolute machine and made a fantastic noise too!
It even done it's first regen with me followed by thus message as it filled it's sump with diesel...

[steve_earwig]

Oh dear. Not to worry, it'll soon go when it starts running on it

[Welly]

Ah, a Mk2 Cavalier if I'm not mistaken. IIRC the engines* were made in a new facility in Australia and had some QC issues to begin with.

My first 1.6 "Family 2" engine had its Automatic Choke modified to manual in its first few months by my then Uncle who bought it from new (and ziebarted the body) so whereas a lot of engines suffered bore wash from the stupid Automatic* choke mine didn't and although the valve stem seals went (which we replaced) it was a sweet engine and could take a lot of stick.

I then had a 1.8 SRi with a Janspeed Fanimold and eggsauce system which rolling-roaded an impressive 130bhp that one ran very cleanly and would happily hit the limiter all day.

[Welly]

I was rocking about in a 65 plate Sprinter 319CDi all last week.
Twin turbo 3.0 V6 engine. Absolute machine and made a fantastic noise too!
It even done it's first regen with me followed by thus message as it filled it's sump with diesel...
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No temperature gauge again, what's with these moderns now?

Nice regen work diluting the oil like that, clever eh?

[Doggy]

Something else to avoid like the plague. I hear Volvo D5's are good at this too.

[Welly]

Something else to avoid like the plague. I hear Volvo D5's are good at this too.

You're right, and Volvo's solution*?.......lower the oil level in the sump in my mind you'd need to drop the oil every time the engine did a regen

[Bailes1992]

That's the main reason that once my Focus is out of warranty the first two things that will be done is DPF & EGR removal.
I know it's good for the environment and I know the effects of NOx on peoples health but there really is a boundary which I can't help but feel has been passed. A boundary that now has gone way past common sense.
An EGR is proven to significantly reduce the life of the oil by increasing it's acidity and filling it with abrasive matter, then you have a DPF which adds to the situation and can also fill the sump with diesel. I think considering I will be keeping my car for 10+ years it's better off gone.

The Sprinter did have a temperature gauge but it was built into the computer. You could pick between having a trip computer, temperature gauge or mileage.

[Welly]

Does yours regen by pissing diesel into the eggsauce stroke and heating the DPF? and can you detect when it's happening?

I remember the 2.2HDi would do weird things whilst regenning like put the heated wing mirrors on etc?

[Bailes1992]

Mine loads up the engine. It puts on the heated windscreen, heated rear windows, heated mirrors etc.
It has an active front grill (grill shutters) which close and stops air getting at the intercooler. It has two lots of shutters. One for the radiator and one for the intercooler which close until the car gets up to temperature.
It then injects diesel into the engine on exhaust stroke to heat up the DPF.
It doesn't seem to fill up the sump. Nor have I ever noticed it doing a regen.

As soon as it's out of warrenty it's all getting ripped out. Including the active shutters.

[Welly]

sh*t me all that gear would be a nightmare when the car reaches 7 years old (and is still expensive to buy) sorry but I would not buy a car that did all that sh*t, simplicity keeps me sane.

What when the 'shutters' close and jam shut because their plastic mechanisms have suffered from the heat/weather, the car overheats and shuts down. On the motorway. Or something.

Does anyone else think there's a market building for simple cars? not quite 4 wheels and a seat but you know....

[Bailes1992]

My Missus C1 is very simple.
Old fashioned multipoint injection system.
It does still have a can bus system but they've been around for years now and don't really cause many issues.


As soon as mine is out of warrenty anything that's not needed will be out.
Nice big intercooler and a big cone filter in the front grill. Full stainless exhaust and a remap. Hoping for 160bhp/350nm.

She wants to buy another house in 4 years time so looks like I'm going to have to hang onto mine, probably try keep it for 10 years.
Going to get it under sealed in the next few weeks. Keep it tidy under there.

[Captain Jack]

I remember the 2.2HDi would do weird things whilst regenning like put the heated wing mirrors on etc?

Yeah, my 407 does that...

[rwb]

Noticed a 65 playe for the first time yesterday. Jag XE