406 James question (although it is also open for others)

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:53 pm

Hi,

Just got the new 406 back and wanted to know the best things to test on it, as i have a 3 month warranty that includes part's and labour up to £500 and a new car/money back if the cam belt goes which is good.

Anyway back to the point, i know i need a new crank pulley (which i will use the cover to do), what can i test be myself?

It is a 406 51 plate HDi 2.0L (110bhp)

Another question for the master mechanic, did pug modify the engine in the later additions as it seems to have more bit's on it than my older one, and also is a hell of a lot faster ( I was following in my dad's 407 - 136bhp) and i was having problems keeping up and at no point had enough power to overtake.

Also when it was on the motorway my dad took it up to 4,500 (ish I was not in the car just guessing) and a reasonable amount of sh*t (black smoke) cam e out. But after that there was no more smoke on acceleration. Is this just town driving collecting in the exhaust?

James is a K&N filter worth bothering with (as the pug filter is massive and cost’s) I know I will not get any extra performance/economy but it lasts for 100,000 miles (or something like)

Thanks,

Andy

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:09 pm

xplosiv wrote:is a K&N filter worth bothering with (as the pug filter is massive and cost’s) I know I will not get any extra performance/economy but it lasts for 100,000 miles (or something like)

They last so long because they don't stop all the crap that decent filters do. That's why they're "performance" - they let through more air at the expense of filtration. So yeah the filter will last longer, shame the engine won't.

I use Halfraud's own brand. They need replacing quite regularly but you really can see how much crud they stop getting into the engine so I have no problems paying out for 'em.

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:24 pm

Hi,

Possible winker problem, when you engage the winker right/left it clicks when you turn the wheel, is the stalk broken and if so how much are they?

Thanks,

Andy

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:39 pm

the stalk is your wiper problem, if its a comm2000 they are expensive and need to be paired i think, they have modified them so they dont go wrong apparentll

when you say it has more power, do you mean more low down torque and faster turbo spool up?
they did modify the intake system post 2001, though you may have bought one thats already been remapped

dont bother with the K and N theyre crap, get an iTG panel filter, they are brilliant and cheaper, though not re-usable, but the HDi guys on pug306.net rave about them

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:27 pm

Hi James,

Are you sure it is the wiper, as i tonly seems to do it on the winker (left hand stalk):-

So just to be clear what do i need to buy (i am going to get it from ebay)

The clutch is f*cked on it, but the garage is giving me the money to fix it?, the bottom cam pulley is ok it is the alternator belt that is old and needs replacing.

Thanks,

ANdy

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:49 pm

Hi james ,

Is this the correct part to order for the clutch replacment: -

Clutch Kit HDi 110 BHP

Price: £72.50 £85.19 Including VAT at 17.5%

CATALOG SUSPENDED
2.0 HDi

DW10ATED Engine

98>:

http://www.parts4peugeot.com/acatalog/O ... s_183.html

not sure i can get it any cheaper

Thanks,

Andy

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:04 pm

thats a very good price for that clutch, a valeo clutch for my 2.0 16v (petrol) cost me £102 inc. vat and thats trade price at a very special rate
what make clutch is that?
you will need a DMF too, there's absolutley no point changing just the clutch on the 110 as the DMF will mince it in days

what exactly is the problem with your indicator stalk

turbolag · Post by **turbolag** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:09 pm

xplosiv wrote:Anyway back to the point, i know i need a new crank pulley (which i will use the cover to do),

Good luck - the pulley is a service item, as the offical pug recommendation is for it to be replaced at cambelt time, so they may not pay out for that (though could be a cracking saving if they did!).

Pug didn't make any significant revisions to the motor over its lifespan, but these engines can be variable - I test drove 5 before buying mine, and found that the best of the 90's was brisker than the worst of the 110s. The 407 2.2 hDi is the same, with some feeling turgid and others feeling quite sprightly.

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:18 pm

after 2001 they changed the inlet manifold design and the intercooler pipe work and also they fitted a part called an air dozer which has been discussed alot before, its a motorized flap that creates a depression in the inlet manifold when egr is used so the gasses are actively sucked into the in inlet manifold, which also helps with turbo spool up, and the flap is closed when the engine is switched off so its smoother and there is less tendancy for the engine to run on slightly

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:23 pm

Hi,

I have not got the £246.75 needed for the DMF, so it looks like just the clutch is getting done. Why will the DMF kill the clutch?

I am only doing the clutch as it is slipping when i try and reverse off the drive, and the garage i got the car from is paying for the clutch and half the labour. i really don't have the money for a DMF. Had to find £900 for the car.

Ok the indicator stalk: -

First off the wipper stalk works fine with no odd noises at all, the indicator stalk when moved up/down has a very cheap plastic click (best i can do to explain it) and when you turn the wheel efvery say 1/4 turn i get that same cheap plastic click, but the indicator stay's on like it should. and i move the wheel back around and again tha clicking until the indicator disingages like it should. so do i just need a new indicator stalk form Ebay. if so are the easy to fit

James; what do i do about the DMF????? (i really have no money to spear), but the clutch is f*cked - there is no noise from the clutch it's self it is just that the bit point is right at the top of the clutch pedal thus the springs in the clutch are probably gone.

Thanks,

ANdy

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:32 pm

dont do the clutch untill you can afford the DMF, i bet your clutch slip is not the clutch but the DMF, changing the clutch will not allow the DMF to slip and it will most likely shatter, at worst putting a hole in the gearbox bellhousing, but it usually just results in a complete loss of clutch

i wouldnt worry about the stalks then, just put up with the noise, as you will need a comm2000 which is very expensive, so unless they stop working dont change it

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:50 pm

Hi,

What about this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/peugeot-406-flywh ... dZViewItem

what the hell is a comm2000?

Thanks,

andy

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:04 pm

Hi,

How can you be sure the DMF has gone after only 75K miles ? surly it is just the clutch? when the mechanic opens it up is there any way to tell if it is the DMF or clutch ?

What about http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-Pce-clutch-Kit- ... otohosting

Thanks,

ANdy

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:05 pm

that looks like a very good kit, its the one i was on about that removes the DMF, there is no real way to test a DMF, its like changing the clutch though, if it was slipping would you just replace the friction plate, no you replace the whole assembley, release bearing, pressure plate and friction plate, on the 110 you have to replace the DMF too

xplosiv · Post by **xplosiv** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:14 pm

Hi,

What will replacing the dual mass with the solid kit i posted do to the car (slow it down/make it more noisy)?

Is that kit any good? (or will it break into a million parts after 1/3 an hour?

You see the problem i have is that the warnty on the car only covers stuff that is broken (only have 3 mounths) and as the grage owner has offered to buy the clutch kit and pay for 1/2 the labour then what the hell do i do:-

Hope it breaks in 3mounths? (i man has to come out and instect it to see if it is f*cked) or replace the clutch now

Andy

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