F*ck, F*ck & F*ck

[GeordieBoy]

Just bolloxed me Clutch on my HDi.

This is gonna hurt the wallet.

Been told about 10hrs labour + about £150 for Clutch and if Flywheel has gone add £200 to bill.

They was no slipping or nothing, I just changed gear and clutch stuck to floor, I thought the car mat had caught it and so pulled in, but no it was the clutch. I managed to drive it without a clutch to my local garage, then get a tow home from there as to not damage the gearbox.

[Welly]

Oh dear Geordie, sorry about that.

This is my biggest fear TBH, I'm expecting pretty much the same anytime soon

That's gonna cost a pretty penny for sure - and you wanting to sell it too

You know what though fella, with a brand new clutch you could re-map it and keep it

[GeordieBoy]

I think I've just about had enough tbh, I still dont trust the car at speed espec approaching 100mph.
Once the clutch is done, it would have prob cost me about £1k in parts + labour for the 18mths I've had it.
They was no slipping of clutch at all tho, it was high, very high but not slipping.
I just hope I aint fooked the gearbox by driving it and changing gear without a clutch.
Just feeling for the right revs, having trouble selecting 2nd gear atm as well. Had to go from 1st to 3rd.

[mbell666]

You sure its not just a hydrolic problem (slave cylinder)?

If there is hydrolic problem the pedal could go to the floor with out actaully moving the clutch mech in the bell housing. I've driven a mondeo with faulty slave cylinder and every so often the clutch pedal would go to the floor and not return with out disengaging the clutch, lifting the pedal and trying again normally fixed it.

I would think its fairly rare for a clutch just to go like that, they normally start to slip and vibrate and stuff or at least give some kind of warning. If it does need new clutch your looking any where from £600 up, mine cost me £750 (DMF, clutch, crankshaft oils seal, 8 Hrs labour).

[darrenwall]

They was no slipping or nothing, I just changed gear and clutch stuck to floor, I thought the car mat had caught it and so pulled in, but no it was the clutch. I managed to drive it without a clutch to my local garage, then get a tow home from there as to not damage the gearbox.

thats exactly the same thing that happened to my 2.1 td , it turned out the thrust bearing broke up and thats probably wots happened to yours cos like mine you still had drive . you wouldnt have damaged the gearbox by changing without using the clutch as long as you were gentle

[Blue406]

I think I've just about had enough tbh, I still dont trust the car at speed espec approaching 100mph........

How many times does it need to be said, the 406 is NOT a race car. Escpecially the diesel.
Still... sorry to hear about your clutch troubles. Sucks bad.

[574lk3r]

just read this and a bit concerned about mine now..
the clutch bites quite high, i thought that was a good thing?
and third often crunches...
should i be concerned?

i thought the 406 was a race car? lol i race mine...
it just likes to go fast.. not my fault, its the car..
done over 120 in it so far dying to know what it can do though...

[GeordieBoy]

My clutch pedal is back up now, but it wont let me engage gear. So I think its defo the Clutch.

[GeordieBoy]

Just had a quote from my local Peugeot main dealer:
to replace the clutch the labour is 7.20 hours
to repalce clutch&flywheel the labour would be 8.20 hours
i have spoke to the parts manager and he will give you 10% discount off the fly wheel & 20% discount of the clutch
the prices are clutch kit £193.27 plus vat less discount
flywheel £276 plus vat less discount
i can do the labour at £40 labour plus vat

Clutch + Labour £520
Clutch, Flywheel + Labour £860


I wont be going there, I'll get it done cheaper from a local garage.

[xplosiv]

Hi,

Are you sure the clutch is gone, mine is on the way out and i get slipping in reverse (the lowest gear) it is very unusually for the clutch just to go.

When i had my 309 i could tell the clutch was going as it slipped if you changed gear slightly too soon or had your foot rested slightly on the top of the pedal

The flywheel should not need replacing, i was in contact with a Peugeot garage that supplies other Peugeot dealers and loads of local garages, and he told me that his garage has never done a DMF on a 406 (100’s of cars) all they do is the clutch in the 406, he did say that the 307’s have a DMF problem and each one that has been in has had the DMF changed. He went on to say that out of all the garages he supplies he has only sold a handful of DMF.

I have done tonnes of research on this and really think the faulty DMF is an urban myth on the 406’s (Peugeot would not be recommending just changing the clutch if the DMF’s were faulty as under warranty they would have loads of people coming back getting a free clutch, DMF and labour). If it is not making a really bad squeaking noise then his advice was to check it to see if there was any play if not leave it alone.

If you engine still starts and runs then the DMF will be fine as the engine takes its engine speed measurement from a mark on the DMF. If it had broken up the engine would not run.
Andy

[xplosiv]

Hi,

Here is a peugeot original Clutch from a dealer: -

£130 Inc VAT and i think there is a referbished one even cheaper yep there is £115 inc VAT, E-mail or ring them with your car VIN and they will make sure it is the correct part

http://www.thepeugeotshop.co.uk/product ... 2052J1-406

Andy

[jameslxdt]

definatley a colapsed slave/control cylinder, just done one on a V70 D5 at work, as its internal you have to remove the gearbox, so that was a clutch and flywheel job too
though i am sure that the setup is the same on your BE4/5 gearbox, you could have a bash yourself if you got the space/patience/tools

[mbell666]

I have done tonnes of research on this and really think the faulty DMF is an urban myth on the 406’s (Peugeot would not be recommending just changing the clutch if the DMF’s were faulty as under warranty they would have loads of people coming back getting a free clutch, DMF and labour). If it is not making a really bad squeaking noise then his advice was to check it to see if there was any play if not leave it alone.

If you engine still starts and runs then the DMF will be fine as the engine takes its engine speed measurement from a mark on the DMF. If it had broken up the engine would not run.

Its not a myth they do pack up on the 406, they are no where near as bad as the 307 DMF's thou. I think its more of a case that they wear out rather than they just fall to pieces. If they do wear out you can still dive the car you just get knocking and bit of vibration. Unlike the 307 where you can just lose drive!

I had mine replaced (judder, squeaking, clutch slip) I got the garage show me the old DMF and it was basically warn out the two pieces could be move in each other with your little finger! probably could have got away with not doing it, but its probably not very good for the bottom end of the engine and transmission to have that kind of play and mass slopping round in the flywheel.

[darrenwall]

Its not a myth they do pack up on the 406, they are no where near as bad as the 307 DMF's thou. I think its more of a case that they wear out rather than they just fall to pieces. If they do wear out you can still dive the car you just get knocking and bit of vibration. Unlike the 307 where you can just lose drive!

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does anyone know if they were only fitted to the hdi 110 on the 307 or did they put them in the 90 as well cos my mothers 307 hdi90 is starting to develop a vibration thro the clutch pedal and at tick over

[jameslxdt]

nope, the 307 HDi 90 has a solid flywheel, most likely a worn engine mounting causing the vibration, are you sure its not clutch judder?