What to replace my 406 with?

[mjb]

Mk.1 Lagunas are even more comfortable than 406s, however they're built like Swiss cheese. Mk.2 Lagunas are even worse in this respect...

Rover 75s are fairly comfy too, but I they're just terrible to drive - you're so detached from the road you just don't feel involved with the driving process

[DaiRees]

Yeah, the back is another factor in this very difficult decision. I really like the wife's Fucus but it does give me a bad back when I drive it for more than an hour or so, and it has lumbar support too. Pehaps my back is moulded to the shape of a 406 seat after owning them for a combined total of 8 years....

I went to have a look at those Ghia X & Titanium X Mundano diesels (previous shape) yesterday. They're very nice like, and there is no doubt that they're very very good cars, but it doesn't really call out to me. I find it hard to believe I'd ever become emotionally attached to one like I have with my 406. The though of trading in a car I love plus the best part of 10 grand to get a car that's just another euro box on wheels just doesn't make sense at the moment.

....So I'm still thinking about it. I reckon I'll prolly hang on another year and see what the 2nd hand prices of new Mundanos and new C5 Estates are looking like then....

[Welly]

I tried acknowledging other 406 drivers on the roads recently in an effort to accord with them and share in our ownership pleasure - only I have been getting funny looks and one Taxi driver held aloft his middle finger in anger! still, I know it's a good car so that's all that matters - right?

[Gallen]

What ever you do, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT go for a Laguna-2 120 DCi.

I had an HDi 110 GLX, and jumped ship to a Laguna 2.
I went for a 51 plate 6-speed manual DCi 120.

The car was horrible to drive. It only managed up to 480 miles to a tank, and showed a measly 33 - 35 average mpg when the pug would show a minimum of 37 ranging to 45 driven the same way (like it's stolen!). The Renault 6-speed box was horrible and notchy. The Renault's mileage was circa 90k (needed turbo replaced at 90k to - major problem with all DCi Renaults). It's a matter of "when the turbo goes", and not if it will go. It is guaranteed, the same way as Rover K-Series need head gaskets. The peugeots mileage was 160k+ and drove as new.

The renault was very labourious and slow - very frustrating to drive, and to be honest, required thrashing to get anywhere whilst in traffic. It struggled to hit 100 in any time fast where the 406 hdi 110 was spritely. Anything over 100 was very unusual because in traffic, it took so long to build up speed again after the numpties pull out and make you slow down.

I can not abuse the Renault enough - It was THE worst car I have owned pound for pound. Although it looked great (and to be fair I think you struggle to find a car as nice as the "La-gloomer" in the way of looks for the money, I was glad to get shot of it.

I would never have a Laguna 2 again - I am now running an R-Reg 2.2 Laguna Diesel Turbo and it is a better drive, even though it cost £160 + some minor MOT work and so I dont care if it gets dented or scratched or stone chipped!!!!

Stick with Pugs. Best Diesels - Fact!

[rapport25]

Vel Satis oh yes welly now you are talking i like them to. I think i need to test drive one and the new laguna. Even clarkson likes them Unusual he never like french cars. I want something that does all what my 406 does but better in everyway. I thought the 407 would be the car but not to be If you drive a 405 a great car in everyway. Then get into a 406 it does all what the 405 does but better. A 407 a big dissapointment .

[TooT]

What ever you do, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT go for a Laguna-2 120 DCi.

Ive got that engine in my Megane

measly 33 - 35 average mpg

I can piss 46 - 47 mpg

The Renault 6-speed box was horrible and notchy.

Mines quite slick unlike my old 406

The Renault's mileage was circa 90k (needed turbo replaced at 90k to - major problem with all DCi Renaults). It's a matter of "when the turbo goes", and not if it will go. It is guaranteed,

Yep, they do go out in style the dci engines. The oil seals wear in the turbo then the engine starts burning its sump oil and the engine will not turn off till all the oil has been used, the engine revs off the clock with black smoke pouring everywhere the only way to stop it is to put it in a high gear and stall it.
This only happens on pre 2003 engines as Renault modified the oil feed to the turbo.

The renault was very labourious and slow - very frustrating to drive, and to be honest, required thrashing to get anywhere whilst in traffic. It struggled to hit 100 in any time fast where

I think Gallen you had a heap of shite. I feel as tho mines really quick, no need to go above 3000rpm and 100mph plus is easily achieved

[steve_earwig]

Honest John (again)

On 1.9DCIs EGR valve should open to allow carbon dioxide, which acts as a cooling gas) into the combustion chambers when the engine is under load (>30% boost). This allows the combustion chamber temperature to drop and thus the temperature of the exhaust gases. If it sticks in the closed position the exhaust gas temperature will rise causing a) the turbo bearings to fail and b) engine oil into the induction system. This will cause the engine to go on running until it has consumed all its oil and then it will go bang.

2004 Which? quote: "A stupendously unreliable car."

My personal favourite:

Water has been known to get into the ECU creating short circuits and causing things like the car to attempt to self-start while the alarm goes off, the wipers wipe and the screenwashers spray screenwash fluid. This seems to be increasingly common.

Love it

[trem1]

Vel Satis oh yes welly now you are talking i like them to. I think i need to test drive one and the new laguna. Even clarkson likes them Unusual he never like french cars. I want something that does all what my 406 does but better in everyway. I thought the 407 would be the car but not to be If you drive a 405 a great car in everyway. Then get into a 406 it does all what the 405 does but better. A 407 a big dissapointment .

what were you disappointed with on the 407 then

[TooT]

My personal favourite:

Water has been known to get into the ECU creating short circuits and causing things like the car to attempt to self-start while the alarm goes off, the wipers wipe and the screenwashers spray screenwash fluid. This seems to be increasingly common.

Love it

Well it is French and it has electrics, so its to be expected

[rapport25]

With ref to the 407 did not like the drive also very hard ridding compared to the 406. A useless glovebox unlike the 406. More storage space inside a 406. Not a fan of thr dash layout to many buttons which really is not needed. Dont get me wrong i like the outside but not a fan of the inside one bit. Drove a 136 hdi se saloon in iron grey. Really want to like this car but i dont. My friend has one the same as what i drove. To me its not an improvement on a 406 its just a different peugeot. And would not buy one. How do you rate it as you have had a 406 before?

[zoomer]

How about a Honda Accord dci- revs like a petrol, good mpg, goes and handles well and like all hondas rerry reliable of course
As for what not to buy- DO NOT contemplate current Saab 93 tdi!

[trem1]

With ref to the 407 did not like the drive also very hard ridding compared to the 406. A useless glovebox unlike the 406. More storage space inside a 406. Not a fan of thr dash layout to many buttons which really is not needed. Dont get me wrong i like the outside but not a fan of the inside one bit. Drove a 136 hdi se saloon in iron grey. Really want to like this car but i dont. My friend has one the same as what i drove. To me its not an improvement on a 406 its just a different peugeot. And would not buy one. How do you rate it as you have had a 406 before?

i have to agree about the glovebox its only use is cd's

inside storage i never had a problem with its got more cubby holes than the 406

dash takes a week tops to get used to most buttons not needed only the heater on her side gets used mostly

mines the 136 se in iron grey

the ride is firmer than the 406 but not harsh in any way

i would still have my 406 if i hadnt killed it and wasnt gonna pay the same for a 406 when i could get the 407 was i

[rapport25]

Honda is a possibility. Like the look of them. Not drove and have no knowledge of them especailly as a diesel. I guess its the same size as a 406. Not sure what the ride is like though. Thanks trem for your feedback on the 407

[zoomer]

Had a drive recently, the engine in the honda is great, its got a smooth progresive power band and is fairly quiet fore an oil burner, it was well equiped, has a nice dash layout and looked pretty good finished in black and wearing 17" shadow rims and sport suspension. Ride was good too!

[mbell666]

i always planned to replace my 406 with a honda accord cdti.

but then i moved a 15 min walk from work, so i replaced it with a shitreon ax 1.0L! Bit of a lie really, its just a stop gap until i find a honda prelude or 406 coupe, but i am guessing neither of those will meet ur needs.